Nerf everything

[Josiephine1701]

if there's no fail condition, RPGs aren't fun. take it from someone who has watched MMOs becoming more and more braindead idle games; TWoW's balance is great. is Octo's a bit off because it's beta? idk, maybe, but not from what I've experienced.

[Duke81]

Another group quest, another queue, another 3 hour wait in queue.
I have spent more time waiting than playing. Shills are going crazy over facts smh

Yep, this irreversibly proves it's 100% a "you" issue. Maybe personally you will learn, maybe you won't. Group quests existed in Classic for a reason.

Classic had hundreds of thousands of players. No issues finding a group there.

[Duke81]

Another group quest, another queue, another 3 hour wait in queue.
I have spent more time waiting than playing. Shills are going crazy over facts smh

Yep, this irreversibly proves it's 100% a "you" issue. Maybe personally you will learn, maybe you won't. Group quests existed in Classic for a reason.

Classic had hundreds of thousands of players. No issues finding a group there. Additionally Classic was easier. Mobs in twow hit harder and you can't easily outlevel them because for some reason grey and green mobs hit just as hard and never miss. At level 28 a lvl25 mob takes away 80% of your hp if you don't heal or stun it. This was not the case in og classic. This is classic-

[Duke81]

Yep, this irreversibly proves it's 100% a "you" issue. Maybe personally you will learn, maybe you won't. Group quests existed in Classic for a reason.

Classic had hundreds of thousands of players. No issues finding a group there. Additionally Classic was easier. Mobs in twow hit harder and you can't easily outlevel them because for some reason grey and green mobs hit just as hard and never miss. At level 28 a lvl25 mob takes away 80% of your hp if you don't heal or stun it. This was not the case in og classic. The content may be classic+ but the class design, difficulty and gameplay are classic-

[Duke81]

At level 28 a lvl25 mob takes away 80% of your hp if you don't heal or stun it. This was not the case in og classic. The content may be classic+ but the class design, difficulty and gameplay are classic-

can u show us the tests you run for those results?

Simple google search:
Patch 1.18.0 (Scars of the Past): This update introduced a sweeping blanket increase to PvE difficulty. Developers increased the HP of all dungeon bosses and raised the HP and damage of various open-world and dungeon creatures by 10% to 15%. It also overhauled specific, overtuned raid and dungeon encounters (like Rend Blackhand in UBRS and the Crescent Grove bosses) to make them much more challenging.

Patch 1.17.x Series: Starting with 1.17.2, the developers began rolling out class changes and adjustments to counter player power creep(what power creep lol), subsequently buffing mob stats in the open world to ensure the leveling experience remained engaging.Patch 1.18.1 (Nightmares of Ursol): Following the difficulty adjustments.

1.18.0, this update continued the trend with further class rebalances and mechanical fixes targeting end-game group utility and class metas

Mobs in this game have been buffed over and over and over again to counter what they called increased player power. Problem is, the player power didn't increase. If you look at the health and dps of your average player there is no difference to classic.

They just made it inaccessible and as a result you never find any dungeon groups. It is a compounding issue and a death spiral for the game. You need dungeon loot to keep up with the mobs but the mobs are too hard to get dungeon loot. Starting at DM it is a coplete wipefest. 9/10 groups i was in disbanded because the tank was getting pounded into the dust by the first group.

[Duke81]

Again no counterargument as usual

Anyway i am lvl 29 now and have done a total of4 dungeons while sitting in queue an estimated time of 12 hours.
The first 3 dungeons were deadmines. The first 2 attempts disbanded after multiple wipes. The 3rd attempt was a high level guild mate doing it for us. The fourth dungeon was stockades and we completed it after 3 wipes. After that i have never found another dungeon group. The overall queue time was about 30% of my total playtime.

Dungeon Queue Simulator 2026

[Allwynd01]

I created a Human Hunter and reached around level 12 in Westfall and I can say that there is something wrong with the class, because it feels very weak. I got a pet and I hoped this would increase my power significantly, but what happened was I still feel weak with a BM build. My pet takes too much damage and my character also takes too much damage. Each encounter with a mob between level 10 and 13 results in me almost dying and then having to go into downtime to recover so I can defeat another mob. I don't remember the Hunter like this in neither Turtle WoW nor Vanilla WoW. The Hunter was kind of weak, but not so much before level 10, but after getting a pet at level 10, it should become significantly stronger. Now I feel like I'm weaker than a Mage who can defeat enemies much faster.

I don't know if this is a result of the Turtle WoW changes, but I don't recall the Hunter being so weak. If anyone plays a Hunter, could they share an opinion?

[Yarmum]

This has to be a meme, turtle wow was so easy i got bored... tanking cake... damage dealing super quick, one person could solo an elite or 2..

[Yarmum]

I created a Human Hunter and reached around level 12 in Westfall and I can say that there is something wrong with the class, because it feels very weak. I got a pet and I hoped this would increase my power significantly, but what happened was I still feel weak with a BM build. My pet takes too much damage and my character also takes too much damage. Each encounter with a mob between level 10 and 13 results in me almost dying and then having to go into downtime to recover so I can defeat another mob. I don't remember the Hunter like this in neither Turtle WoW nor Vanilla WoW. The Hunter was kind of weak, but not so much before level 10, but after getting a pet at level 10, it should become significantly stronger. Now I feel like I'm weaker than a Mage who can defeat enemies much faster.

I don't know if this is a result of the Turtle WoW changes, but I don't recall the Hunter being so weak. If anyone plays a Hunter, could they share an opinion?

Show me your gear

[Allwynd01]

I created a Human Hunter and reached around level 12 in Westfall and I can say that there is something wrong with the class, because it feels very weak. I got a pet and I hoped this would increase my power significantly, but what happened was I still feel weak with a BM build. My pet takes too much damage and my character also takes too much damage. Each encounter with a mob between level 10 and 13 results in me almost dying and then having to go into downtime to recover so I can defeat another mob. I don't remember the Hunter like this in neither Turtle WoW nor Vanilla WoW. The Hunter was kind of weak, but not so much before level 10, but after getting a pet at level 10, it should become significantly stronger. Now I feel like I'm weaker than a Mage who can defeat enemies much faster.

I don't know if this is a result of the Turtle WoW changes, but I don't recall the Hunter being so weak. If anyone plays a Hunter, could they share an opinion?

Show me your gear

It's not that great, it's white items from Elwynn Forest, maybe one green item and that's it. But I don't remember mobs being that hard and my character being so weak.