Polls are nice, but...

[Kestrel]

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We take em with a grain of salt in general with this front of our minds. But looking forward to seeing the discussion here about how others feel.

[Wrothag]

As not enough alliance scum willing to que for BGs on the PvP server, x-realm would 100% help the 1.5-2 hour wait times (only for 5-6 lucky horde players who gets in)

[Wubc]

It's a bit of a tricky subject to try to poll to ascertain any conclusive answers to regarding what changes should or should not be made, as the server populations, current experiences as well as plausible gains and losses from any changes vary by respondent. While there are perfectly reasonable arguments to be made for both choices, in general people will simply vote for what is seen as most beneficial for them, regardless of reasoning. Suppose you could make the argument that decisive leanings in the poll will still indicate what most people feel as beneficial to the largest group of people, even if it happens to include them.

Personally I can only offer the anecdote that I would like to PVP, but have more or less stopped queing as I simply do not have the time to sit around in the right spec and gear avoiding other group activities waiting for the que to pop for multiple hours.

[Arsarcana]

We naturally vote according to what benefits us personally at the moment, not necessarily according to what is healthiest for the server in the long run.

Ironically, I'm a good example myself. I'm voting "No" on achievements because I genuinely believe they'll change the game's culture over time.
But if you asked me about cross-realm BGs? I'm Alliance for now. I honestly don't care much about BG queues, so my vote there would also be influenced by my own current situation.

Darktifa, you're also a good example with your "Allow achievements if the community desires it" comment in the other poll thread This thread is a perfect example of why that approach can be dangerous.

I think polls should be used as a way to gather feedback, not as proof that a feature is a good long-term decision.

[Arsarcana]

how am i the perfect example?
i have no personal gains from voting in favour of or against achievements
unlike the example i gave, where Alliance players lose their insta q

Feel free to reply with some counter arguments and not just stating about perfect examples

That's actually not what I meant. I wasn't saying that you personally benefit from achievements. I was pointing out that, in one thread, you're saying: "Allow achievements if the community desires it." while, in this thread, you're explaining why community polls can be heavily influenced by personal interests and current circumstances.

[Don]

I think most players would agree that cross-realm or cross-faction BGs are better than no BGs at all
It might be introduced as a temporary measure until the population situation improves, but right now the main problem for players is hour-long queues for BGs — and we plan to fix it
If you have any other ideas/suggestions/feedback on how to free players from long BG wait times, please don't hesitate — we'd be happy to hear you out

[Sofka]

we need xserver BGs instead xfaction.
and move poll NPC for pvp into champion hall, so only true pvpers can vote

[Wubc]

we need xserver BGs instead xfaction.
and move poll NPC for pvp into champion hall, so only true pvpers can vote

This would be exactly one of the issues I was highlighting. If we select for "true pvpers" in the poll by filtering out those with less time spent in BGs, then we we're not actually filtering out people with no interest in PVP, but increasing the proportional representation of those with easier access to the content (I.e. those with shorter que times) as the whole issue is regarding some people NOT being able to partake equally.


Personally I'd prefer cross-server BGs over cross-faction, but obviously the devs have better insight in to how that would end up numbers wise.

[Niyu]

more alliance than horde mean longer queues for alliance, not longer queues for horde. if queues are long that mean there is simply not enough players queued for that bracket. in what twisted world would it mean that horde is at a disadvantage when you actually have an advantage, given that there was high enough numbers for both sides to get the BG going in the first place.

it was the same on turtle. when population was healthy, but horde still had fewer numbers than alliance. horde had a massive advantage averaging 2-3 ranks above the average alliance and gaining a rich knowledge of the fellow players for better teamwork. whereas alliance endure a continuous stream of tourists further adding to the disadvantage.

horde are well known to be dedicated PVP'ers and are known to exploit anything to not lose. iv been in enough AV's where horde after having been slowly losing over two hours, decide to turtle completely up. pushing the AV to the 4 hour mark.

ever since 2008 the horde have had the upper hand in PVP with the wow-wide call to pool dedicated PVP'ers to that side. yet you are surprised that alliance ignore you on the PVP realm.

I could go on and elaborate, but im writing to trolling gankers. you do not represent the wow community. you have your little server, live with it or go play another game.

I agree the poll should not be a decisive factor.

*No cross-server BG. That would be the absolute worst, it is vital that the gankers and dedicated PVP'ers are isolated from the PVE. do come gank all the warmode players on PVE realm though. some retail shit going on here.

*No cross-faction BG. Or at least a toggle so that one can opt out of it. getting put on wrong team mean an instant /afk as should be widely done by anyone who despise this world of peacecraft nonsense.

*Vanilla plus not retail minus.

[Sofka]

This would be exactly one of the issues I was highlighting. If we select for "true pvpers" in the poll by filtering out those with less time spent in BGs, then we we're not actually filtering out people with no interest in PVP, but increasing the proportional representation of those with easier access to the content (I.e. those with shorter que times) as the whole issue is regarding some people NOT being able to partake equally.

not true

more alliance than horde mean longer queues for alliance, not longer queues for horde. if queues are long that mean there is simply not enough players queued for that bracket. in what twisted world would it mean that horde is at a disadvantage when you actually have an advantage, given that there was high enough numbers for both sides to get the BG going in the first place.

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