2026-07-29

[Kestrel]

@Kestrel

You are online so may I ask. How much % XP you get at level 40, 50 with that change compared to old balance? Is level 33 magical barrier that decreases your XP gained by 50%?

It is a smooth curve similar to mob and quest exp/hour rates, if bumps to emerge we will make adjustments to ensure leveling methods are relatively similar in speed.

[Zvyrhol]

sad. i liked bg leveling

Why is everyone acting like they removed BGs?

Let's be real, 90% of the non 60s only did bgs for the fast levelling, me included. If it's the same as questing why would anyone bother? You don't get gold from bgs you do from questing.

In 40-49 and 50-59 Honor is very nice. Some people do it for mount discount by reaching R3. It's still worth it in my opinion, XP is decreased slightly and you still farm Honor.

As a fresh level 60, I reached R6 when I hit level 60 in AV. I could buy 3 pieces of pre-raid BiS items with Honor I farmed from spamming BGs from lv 48 to 60. You underestimate how good new PvP gear is.

[Yotca]

If you think that right clicking the portrait and dropping group mid combat is an intended mechanic and not an exploit then clearly we are not going to get anywhere with that part of this conversation. Agree to disagree.

We are considering players thoughts, but are prioritizing what we think will be best for our servers. The players want more EXP, we disagree. Neither knows which is the best long term answer.

I'm saying if PvE servers get outdoors mob tagging — we're entitled to dungeon tagging since we can't do it outdoors.

You're clearly stating that your opinions carry more weight than that of the community that has been around for years with a specific ruleset and specific settings.

The guillotine analogy becomes more and more plausible since that's more or less what a feudal system looks like ; we pay donations for the server and whatever that entails... you have the final say over the rabble without polling it and call it prioritizing whats best for YOUR servers — not even THE servers.

Sure — it's not a democracy — we get it, but this entire project dies if you keep showing disrespect to an already established community.

You do realize this is Shenna/Torta all over again?

[Xallog2]

Why is everyone acting like they removed BGs?

Let's be real, 90% of the non 60s only did bgs for the fast levelling, me included. If it's the same as questing why would anyone bother? You don't get gold from bgs you do from questing.

In 40-49 and 50-59 Honor is very nice. Some people do it for mount discount by reaching R3. It's still worth it in my opinion, XP is decreased slightly and you still farm Honor.

As a fresh level 60, I reached R6 when I hit level 60 in AV. I could buy 3 pieces of pre-raid BiS items with Honor I farmed from spamming BGs from lv 48 to 60. You underestimate how good new PvP gear is.

cutting the rate at which you level in half is not a ''slight'' decrease

[Moonchee]

Ultimately I don't even personally have a strong opposition to 2x exp rates for the PvP server, but I do agree with the rest of the team that it would be a short sighted change and would likely harm the server long term for a myriad of different reasons. But once again that feels like a whole different thread.

Main reason being people will quit? Be reasonable.

[Zvyrhol]

Let's be real, 90% of the non 60s only did bgs for the fast levelling, me included. If it's the same as questing why would anyone bother? You don't get gold from bgs you do from questing.

In 40-49 and 50-59 Honor is very nice. Some people do it for mount discount by reaching R3. It's still worth it in my opinion, XP is decreased slightly and you still farm Honor.

As a fresh level 60, I reached R6 when I hit level 60 in AV. I could buy 3 pieces of pre-raid BiS items with Honor I farmed from spamming BGs from lv 48 to 60. You underestimate how good new PvP gear is.

cutting the rate at which you level in half is not a ''slight'' decrease

Kestrel confirmed it's "smooth curve". I think he meant 50% reduced XP concerns level 59 or something.

[Kestrel]

We are considering players thoughts, but are prioritizing what we think will be best for our servers. The players want more EXP, we disagree. Neither knows which is the best long term answer.

How can you say this and then waffle about ''yeah changing exp is something to discuss/talk about''. You're just lying to placate people by trying to push it down the road.

We are not lying or placating, it is something that the team and players have been discussing for weeks now since before the PvP server even launched. It is something we are still evaluating. You don't have to believe us of course, zero trust and all that. If you don't like the current leveling speed I get that but the solution is not to just say everyone wants more exp.

The PvP server is growing right now and we are happy with that, we also expect much more growth as the PvP realm gets more content. Adding 2x exp rates to a server that is already doing well is not something that we think is a good idea.

[Rezedevil1]

In 40-49 and 50-59 Honor is very nice. Some people do it for mount discount by reaching R3. It's still worth it in my opinion, XP is decreased slightly and you still farm Honor.

As a fresh level 60, I reached R6 when I hit level 60 in AV. I could buy 3 pieces of pre-raid BiS items with Honor I farmed from spamming BGs from lv 48 to 60. You underestimate how good new PvP gear is.

cutting the rate at which you level in half is not a ''slight'' decrease

Kestrel confirmed it's "smooth curve". I think he meant 50% reduced XP concerns level 59 or something.

I just had a WSG as lvl 58, and we won. At my level you will get around 10% of my level currently (around 21k xp, 202k needed for next level) if you bring all 3 flags and win. Before the patch today I was getting consistently, no matter the lvl (even played in 10-19 bracket) around 30% of a level. Of course not including the kills. Only the xp gained by turning in 3 flags and winning.

[Xallog2]

In 40-49 and 50-59 Honor is very nice. Some people do it for mount discount by reaching R3. It's still worth it in my opinion, XP is decreased slightly and you still farm Honor.

As a fresh level 60, I reached R6 when I hit level 60 in AV. I could buy 3 pieces of pre-raid BiS items with Honor I farmed from spamming BGs from lv 48 to 60. You underestimate how good new PvP gear is.

cutting the rate at which you level in half is not a ''slight'' decrease

Kestrel confirmed it's "smooth curve". I think he meant 50% reduced XP concerns level 59 or something.

Nope, it's cut in half at 41 too.

[Kestrel]

I'm saying if PvE servers get outdoors mob tagging — we're entitled to dungeon tagging since we can't do it outdoors.

You're clearly stating that your opinions carry more weight than that of the community that has been around for years with a specific ruleset and specific settings.

The guillotine analogy becomes more and more plausible since that's more or less what a feudal system looks like ; we pay donations for the server and whatever that entails... you have the final say over the rabble without polling it and call it prioritizing whats best for YOUR servers — not even THE servers.

Sure — it's not a democracy — we get it, but this entire project dies if you keep showing disrespect to an already established community.

You do realize this is Shenna/Torta all over again?

I disagree, and you know how I feel about open world mob tagging as is.

Almost but not quit, I am saying that the OctoWoW team's opinions carry more weight than the community on certain issues, this being one of them. We try to respect our community through open communication and working our ass off to make the best server that we can. People will disagree on what that looks like and we knew that from the begining of this project.

I don't recall Shenna/Torta having conversations like this in the forums. Really I am not seeing any similarities do you think we sold gold or accounts or something? I may be out of the loop of the general Shenna/Torta lore but lmk if I am missing a connection there.