GM Malpractice, The Hand of Ragnaros, and Meatgrinder

[Heibai]

Why can’t he keep playing out of genuine love for the game now that his GM privileges have been stripped away? Does one single mistake mean they deserve to be shut out of the server forever?
Also, how can you be certain that Millhouse is his alt character? Are you leaking internal server information as an insider?

This staff member was a liability. One of the first things they did internally was disclose identifying information. Also creating a character with a near identical name to his GM and seeking attention in world chat. Highly doubtful any insider would disclose information about this player, but I assume he would share himself as he has multiple times already.

Not really wanting to question the abilities of the OctoWoW team, but I do hope you have properly investigated all Bushdoctor's actions as a GM and made sure he haven't somehow created an (offshore) underground bank account in The Undermine to hide stolen gold or something, if you want to allow him to continue playing as a normal player on his pre-existing characters.

I personally would have wiped his personal player account as well just to be sure...

I agree. If the GM team verifies that such misconduct actually took place, our guild will also take corresponding disciplinary action against him.

[Mankohunter]

Panda was originally founded because our group faced unfair treatment in the Nebula guild. Back when we were grinding fire resistance gear for MC voluntarily, their guild leader accused us of ninjaing materials. When we suggested prioritizing tank gear for early MC progression, we were accused of ninjaing equipment. How could a team push through MC’s early progression without sufficient fire resistance tank gear? In the end, he kicked all of us out of Nebula and spread lies claiming we had ninjaed loot.

So you ninja because your group wanted to progress MC, is that what you trying to say?
Seems like scamming and using sketchy ways is in the foundation of your guild. You even fail to realize why you guys are wrong, because it is NORMAl behavior in your guild "i need it to progress so i will use my GM buddy/ninja it".

[Heibai]

Panda was originally founded because our group faced unfair treatment in the Nebula guild. Back when we were grinding fire resistance gear for MC voluntarily, their guild leader accused us of ninjaing materials. When we suggested prioritizing tank gear for early MC progression, we were accused of ninjaing equipment. How could a team push through MC’s early progression without sufficient fire resistance tank gear? In the end, he kicked all of us out of Nebula and spread lies claiming we had ninjaed loot.

So you ninja because your group wanted to progress MC, is that what you trying to say?
Seems like scamming and using sketchy ways is in the foundation of your guild. You even fail to realize why you guys are wrong, because it is NORMAl behavior in your guild "i need it to progress so i will use my GM buddy/ninja it".

We formed our own group to farm trash mobs in MC, and we clearly stated before forming the raid that the materials would not be rolled on—they were solely for crafting fire resistance gear. How is that considered ninja looting? Anyone who disagreed was free to skip the group, right? Please stop smearing us maliciously. This is no different from asking others to help you farm items you need. You’re awfully good at painting everything with the same brush and twisting the facts to suit your narrative. Also, can you name who this supposed GM contact is, and what backdoor access you’re claiming exists? Where do you get the gall to slander us like this?

[Ziggler]

Why can’t he keep playing out of genuine love for the game now that his GM privileges have been stripped away? Does one single mistake mean they deserve to be shut out of the server forever?
Also, how can you be certain that Millhouse is his alt character? Are you leaking internal server information as an insider?

I know this because he contacted us and literally told us it was him lol.

I'm worried how your guild doesn't understand that a series of actions like this can destroy the entire server's reputation. This is a new server that is still building it's identity and integrity. A lot of private servers have been known to have lots of corruption. These guys here have been awesome in their transparency; and their passion for the game and it's players really show.

Having a guild come in and do this on one of the most important items in phase 1 is actually insane. This isn't simply grifing another guild or getting a few honor kills of a friend. This is using a GM who is in your guild to make you one of 2 legendary items. Name me something worse that a guild could do right now?

First of all, the server’s reputation is built jointly by all players and the GM team, not only by players alone. Secondly, if our guild had taken part in this scheme wholeheartedly, we would never have let this incident get reported in the first place—why would we make no attempt to cover it up? The PANDA guild chose to come forward openly and acknowledge the incident because we play the game with a clear conscience. There are countless cases of abuse and corruption across many private servers; we cannot write off an entire guild and all its members solely because of this single incident, can we?
Moreover, I have to question your wording as a staff member when you claim our guild “used a GM for personal gain”. What concrete proof do you have of a direct collusive link between that former GM and our guild? I believe this judgment comes across as overly hasty and arbitrary.

Let me repost this:

We will also remember how <PANDA> and its leader JXX were /dance in SW while we kept asking details how they could obtain 8+1 ingots while Golemagg where not even killed enough time (accross the server) to drop those ingots.

[Heibai]

I know this because he contacted us and literally told us it was him lol.

I'm worried how your guild doesn't understand that a series of actions like this can destroy the entire server's reputation. This is a new server that is still building it's identity and integrity. A lot of private servers have been known to have lots of corruption. These guys here have been awesome in their transparency; and their passion for the game and it's players really show.

Having a guild come in and do this on one of the most important items in phase 1 is actually insane. This isn't simply grifing another guild or getting a few honor kills of a friend. This is using a GM who is in your guild to make you one of 2 legendary items. Name me something worse that a guild could do right now?

First of all, the server’s reputation is built jointly by all players and the GM team, not only by players alone. Secondly, if our guild had taken part in this scheme wholeheartedly, we would never have let this incident get reported in the first place—why would we make no attempt to cover it up? The PANDA guild chose to come forward openly and acknowledge the incident because we play the game with a clear conscience. There are countless cases of abuse and corruption across many private servers; we cannot write off an entire guild and all its members solely because of this single incident, can we?
Moreover, I have to question your wording as a staff member when you claim our guild “used a GM for personal gain”. What concrete proof do you have of a direct collusive link between that former GM and our guild? I believe this judgment comes across as overly hasty and arbitrary.

Let me repost this:

We will also remember how <PANDA> and its leader JXX were /dance in SW while we kept asking details how they could obtain 8+1 ingots while Golemagg where not even killed enough time (accross the server) to drop those ingots.

Yes, I was asleep when all this happened and only found out about the issue the next day, after which the weapon was confiscated right away. To be honest, I never expected it could be crafted so quickly either...

[Gildark]

Secondly, if our guild had taken part in this scheme wholeheartedly, we would never have let this incident get reported in the first place

Boasting that if you did try to exploit you wouldn't be caught in this situation is WILD. I know there might be some what of a language barrier here but an even bigger morality barrier.

[Heibai]

Secondly, if our guild had taken part in this scheme wholeheartedly, we would never have let this incident get reported in the first place

Boasting that if you did try to exploit you wouldn't be caught in this situation is WILD. I know there might be some what of a language barrier here but an even bigger morality barrier.

I was only using a metaphor, yet what I said holds true. People would show off obtaining a great item fairly, but no one would boast about stealing something. We will never admit to deeds we did not commit; we own up to our mistakes if we are at fault, and deny them firmly if we are innocent. You have no authority to decide whether we get to stay on this server or not. Are your judgments truly reliable if you base them merely on a figure of speech? Do not drag this into questions of morality, for you yourself fail to uphold such standards.

[Gildark]

I was only using a metaphor, yet what I said holds true. People would show off obtaining a great item fairly, but no one would boast about stealing something. We will never admit to deeds we did not commit; we own up to our mistakes if we are at fault, and deny them firmly if we are innocent. You have no authority to decide whether we get to stay on this server or not. Are your judgments truly reliable if you base them merely on a figure of speech? Do not drag this into questions of morality, for you yourself fail to uphold such standards.

That's a pretty horrible metaphor my friend and won't give you any favor with the community. I, individually don't hold any power if you stay or not, but in this current situation that same community definitely does. You're metaphorically walking on cactus needles right now, saying that if you wanted to exploit you'd never get caught is jumping into a cactus field.

What standards of morality do I fail to uphold exactly?

[Heibai]

I was only using a metaphor, yet what I said holds true. People would show off obtaining a great item fairly, but no one would boast about stealing something. We will never admit to deeds we did not commit; we own up to our mistakes if we are at fault, and deny them firmly if we are innocent. You have no authority to decide whether we get to stay on this server or not. Are your judgments truly reliable if you base them merely on a figure of speech? Do not drag this into questions of morality, for you yourself fail to uphold such standards.

That's a pretty horrible metaphor my friend and won't give you any favor with the community. I, individually don't hold any power if you stay or not, but in this current situation that same community definitely does. You're metaphorically walking on cactus needles right now, saying that if you wanted to exploit you'd never get caught is jumping into a cactus field.

What standards of morality do I fail to uphold exactly?

It may be an issue with how I phrased myself earlier. All I want to state clearly is that we have not committed the acts we’re being accused of. Please try to understand how it feels to be falsely slandered. I trust the GM team will deliver a fair and impartial verdict for the PANDA guild.

[Heibai]

I was only using a metaphor, yet what I said holds true. People would show off obtaining a great item fairly, but no one would boast about stealing something. We will never admit to deeds we did not commit; we own up to our mistakes if we are at fault, and deny them firmly if we are innocent. You have no authority to decide whether we get to stay on this server or not. Are your judgments truly reliable if you base them merely on a figure of speech? Do not drag this into questions of morality, for you yourself fail to uphold such standards.

That's a pretty horrible metaphor my friend and won't give you any favor with the community. I, individually don't hold any power if you stay or not, but in this current situation that same community definitely does. You're metaphorically walking on cactus needles right now, saying that if you wanted to exploit you'd never get caught is jumping into a cactus field.

What standards of morality do I fail to uphold exactly?

We have long endured plenty of gossip and slander, with conflicts arising from raid progression, team composition, and even differences in nationality. This incident has undoubtedly added insult to injury to our already tough situation. Yet we firmly believe the truth will eventually come to light. We will take responsibility for any genuine mistakes we have made, but we will never admit to false accusations, and we will never compromise our integrity and principles.