Flask 60g consum prices

[Forky8]

The supreme power flask was 60g yesterday is that something the devs want that raidconsumes are that expansive ?
The lassher herb nerfs are becoming a Problem now all the big ah players have no more herbs left or not that many at least and consumes will be very pricy can u guys revert the changes or give us the weekly quests to combat that paying up[ to 150g for all consumes every week is a lot especially for a server that young soon it it will be 200 or 300

[Defiant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWM_1hBu_c

[Mrsneed]

I agree, the nerf to lashers was overkill. I stepped in last night and pulled 3 herbs from 4 packs, which seems to be much less than I recall from 1.18.1.

[Afraido1]

I HATE that consumes economy revolves around fucking lashers, I am glad devs nerfed these shitters to the ground. I suggested for turtle wow devs years ago when economy patch was released that they should reduce materials for consumes and improve herb respawn rates around the world but instead they buffed lasher herb drops and added lootboxes with consumes. I hated those changes back then and I maintain my opinion. Lashers were always a bank you went to grab easiest resources in the game, 10 hours of herbing was equal to 5 lasher jumps. Nice design, very thoughtful.

Here is my consumes rework idea:
https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2032

Reduce the required mats, put unused herbs in some recipes and job is done. Stop this lasher bullshit.

[Ollie]

you can thank AH botters that don't help the situation either

[Defiant]

I agree, the nerf to lashers was overkill. I stepped in last night and pulled 3 herbs from 4 packs, which seems to be much less than I recall from 1.18.1.

Are we all ignoring that the guy lied and flasks are not anywhere even close to 60g?

Flask of Supreme Power; 22g50s - 24g

30 Dreamfoil ------------------- 17-20s per ---------- 6g~
10 Mountain Silversage ------ 60-65s per ----------- 6.5g~
1Black Lotus ------------------- 4g20s to 4g50s ------ 4.5g~


Total Cost At The Moment; 17g


And you guys want to make herbs even cheaper? Basically just destroy the entire herbalism market and make an entire profession used almost strictly for collecting just Black Lotus?

People selling Flasks of Supreme Power at the current rate of 22.5g - 24g are making roughly 6g per craft.

[Octosephiroth]

I agree, the nerf to lashers was overkill. I stepped in last night and pulled 3 herbs from 4 packs, which seems to be much less than I recall from 1.18.1.

Are we all ignoring that the guy lied and flasks are not anywhere even close to 60g?

Flask of Supreme Power; 22g50s - 24g

30 Dreamfoil ------------------- 17-20s per ---------- 6g~
10 Mountain Silversage ------ 60-65s per ----------- 6.5g~
1Black Lotus ------------------- 4g20s to 4g50s ------ 4.5g~


Total Cost At The Moment; 17g


And you guys want to make herbs even cheaper? Basically just destroy the entire herbalism market and make an entire profession used almost strictly for collecting just Black Lotus?

People selling Flasks of Supreme Power at the current rate of 22.5g - 24g are making roughly 6g per craft.

Hi there. I came to clear up the confusion. Please see the attachment.

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Flask of supreme power and titans were bought out this weekend and relisted:
flask of supreme power 3x -> 60g
flask of the titans 2x -> 50g

There was during this time period some talk about AH automation and GMs made a ruling on a custom addon written by a player on the server. The automatic relist feature was dis-allowed and the price was pushed quickly down to the mid 20s with large increment undercuts. This happened over a few hour period but the buyout frontran EU primetime saturday demand. Smart, but a bit underhanded. (It seems like Mithipia / Mithibank was behind the buyout based on the screenshot)
(source: I helped push the prices down cuz I actually want my auctions to sell)

Looking at the price of the ingredients, everything but black lotus is also going up (naturally due to supply/demand) So maybe get your flasks now, they may never be this cheap again. (unless they change herbs/lashers somehow)

Hope this helps <3

[Defiant]

Flask of supreme power and titans were bought out this weekend and relisted:
flask of supreme power 3x -> 60g
flask of the titans 2x -> 50g

Yes and I could buy them all up and list them at 500g each. That doesn't mean Flasks are 500g each. It would also be very disengenious of me to then take a screenshot of all the Flasks at 500g each and post that to the forums demanding a change to material availability when material availability as I showed above isn't a factor.

There was during this time period some talk about AH automation and GMs made a ruling on a custom addon written by a player on the server.

If you're talking about the Alchemy addon, I'm against it. However, no, that did not happen this past weekend. The GMs gave that guy permission quite awhile ago. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here. There was a post about it on the forums around that time, but the GMs did not make a ruling on it "during this time period".

The automatic relist feature was dis-allowed and the price was pushed quickly down to the mid 20s with large increment undercuts.

Ok, so, the automatic relist feature was removed? So they were manually undercutting. So this isn't an issue of automation, like I said above... I'm also not entirely sure you're correct about the relist feature being dis-allowed? From what I saw in that thread, Kestrel said that the addon is legitimate but that it's something they're going to gauge how the community feels and potentially make a change in the future. That's why I was confused when you said GMs made a ruling. Because I haven't seen that, maybe I missed it, but what I did see was Kestrel saying that the addon doesn't technically do anything illegal.

Here is Kestrels post I'm referencing; https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php? ... =60#p12116

Looking at the price of the ingredients, everything but black lotus is also going up (naturally due to supply/demand)

The herbs are all still very cheap, as I showed above. I also disagree with the characterization that they're steadily going up. They have increased, yes, and we've seen them increase and decrease pretty regularly over the past month. I've seen Dreamfoil up at 25s, then I saw it drop back down to around 10s, now it's around 20s, who is to say it won't dip again.

Either way the price increasing to 60g had nothing to do with buddies Alchemy addon, which to be clear I don't think should be allowed. It also has nothing to do with material availability or lasher farms. It was just good ol' fashion market manipulation, or rather, an attempt at market manipulation that was corrected within hours.

[Octosephiroth]

Thanks for your well thought out response, Defiant. There was a second ruling that happened the same day as all the price gouging, disallowing auctions to be automatically undercut on a timer.

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Most of the post was just to show that prices did indeed go up to 60g cuz Forky was actually right about that.
I dunno if people bought AT 60g but they were buying all the way down because some raids REQUIRE flasks. I don't think I actually disagree with you on the rest here.

[Revisions]

This sephiroth guy is hell bend on being mad for no reason, like he cant buy or farm the mats for flasks himself and get them made cheaper then the AH. He's been pretty sus on the forums all day , He just wants to AFK in town and raid log and buy easy cheap flask off the AH instead of playing the game.