2026-07-29

[Defiant]

I think these guys launched exactly when they should've, and have done an incredible and splendid job so far!

I am ashamed to witness the ungratefulness of these whiny entitled brats.

Though I hope Kestrel is not put off too much by their bitching.

Interpreting feedback as ungrateful is missing the point. I am genuinely happy that this server exists and that we have developers who hold fireside chats, participate on the forums, and give players the opportunity to share feedback. I do not think we would have 20+ pages of replies if people did not believe the team cared about what players think. I want this project to succeed and truly appreciate the work and the risk that went into launching it.

I also understand that this is a massive project and that comprehensive PvP balance might not be the top priority while restoration and core systems are still being completed. If that is the case, maybe it might make sense to be cautious about making changes that PvP players perceive as making their experience worse while broader PvP improvements are still on hold.

No dude. You are an ungrateful prick that spams the forums daily and refuses to take no for an answer. You are a literal child and people are done tolerating this shit.

They've heard your feedback. They disagree. Leave or shut the fuck up. Is this genuinely how you operate in your day to day life? Kick and scream, make demands, repeat yourself over and over? Like genuinely buddy, you clearly have no friends. Go play retail if you want easy leveling-- this isnt the server for you.

leveling is a pointless content and u made it harder. ye ye

This attitude is 100% not what Turtle was ever about. The leveling process is specifically what a lot of people who play this enjoy. You should honestly be playing retail with that attitude. You can hit max level in a few hours.

Im getting really tired of all these people demanding massive changes from what made Turtle successful.

At this point you people are just harassing the developers. This isnt feedback anymore. They've heard your feedback for the last month every single day. You are now just spamming and harassing.

You guys should post your in game names so the rest of us can ensure we never carry your asses in our groups.

[Yotca]

I think these guys launched exactly when they should've, and have done an incredible and splendid job so far!

I am ashamed to witness the ungratefulness of these whiny entitled brats.

Though I hope Kestrel is not put off too much by their bitching.

Interpreting feedback as ungrateful is missing the point. I am genuinely happy that this server exists and that we have developers who hold fireside chats, participate on the forums, and give players the opportunity to share feedback. I do not think we would have 20+ pages of replies if people did not believe the team cared about what players think. I want this project to succeed and truly appreciate the work and the risk that went into launching it.

I also understand that this is a massive project and that comprehensive PvP balance might not be the top priority while restoration and core systems are still being completed. If that is the case, maybe it might make sense to be cautious about making changes that PvP players perceive as making their experience worse while broader PvP improvements are still on hold.

No dude. You are an ungrateful prick that spams the forums daily and refuses to take no for an answer. You are a literal child and people are done tolerating this shit.

They've heard your feedback. They disagree. Leave or shut the fuck up. Is this genuinely how you operate in your day to day life? Kick and scream, make demands, repeat yourself over and over? Like genuinely buddy, you clearly have no friends. Go play retail if you want easy leveling-- this isnt the server for you.

leveling is a pointless content and u made it harder. ye ye

This attitude is 100% not what Turtle was ever about. The leveling process is specifically what a lot of people who play this enjoy. You should honestly be playing retail with that attitude. You can hit max level in a few hours.

Im getting really tired of all these people demanding massive changes from what made Turtle successful.

At this point you people are just harassing the developers. This isnt feedback anymore. They've heard your feedback for the last month every single day. You are now just spamming and harassing.

You guys should post your in game names so the rest of us can ensure we never carry your asses in our groups.

We're not asking for any changes at all actually — we're asking for things as they were ; which is why Turtle was successful.

Does typing hurt after bruising your knuckles by throwing your scrawny arms at the wall?

[Steamroller]

Kestrel the Dire Maul East Lasher Drop Rates on Herbs are wrong. This is way too low, something is definitely wrong with the drop rates. After 1 lockout of Lasher Farming (5 runs) You literally cant even make 1 potion. And thats not correct, in some cases im leaving with x1 of any given Herb for almost 1 hour of Farming. This is not how Turtle was in 1.18.1 or any state of Turtle frankly, Please look into this, I can assure you the Drop rate is WAY too low, please take another look.

[Duraluminium]

I'd like to add that multiple our guild members want to re-vote on the xrealm bg, me including.
We voted 'yes' before we looked at the PVE server lvl 60 characters population.
After some discussions most of us now think that crossrealm will kill alliance on the PVP server in the current state of things.

[Knifewrench]

I'd like to add that multiple our guild members want to re-vote on the xrealm bg, me including.
We voted 'yes' before we looked at the PVE server lvl 60 characters population.
After some discussions most of us now think that crossrealm will kill alliance on the PVP server in the current state of things.

because the poll doesnt inform people how it will be implemented the whole poll is kinda pointless if u ask me, seeing its all about how it will effect us and not some theorethical abstract if ur okey or not with something.

[Zed65]

I have a word of advice to Kestrel and the loud, annoying minority in here specifically the "BG" people.

Kestrel, you should stop trying to appease everyone. These people are complaining that they can't cheat a challenge (S&S) through fast pvp leveling and reaping the rewards, they want to a retail-like leveling experience because leveling is a "boring and mundane" activity, they want a PVP server where everyone 10-60 lives inside the BGs.. so much for PVP... what even is the point.

I for one leveled normally 1-60 but did a few BGs and I didn't even know BGs granted this insane amount of XP and it genuinly hurted me because it was much more effecient, I couldn't even try moonwhisper 50-60 because AV was just too good. I get it that not everyone wants to quest for the millionth time. But hey this is a classic+ server not retail. If you don't like it go pay up 15$ to blizzard and enjoy max lvl pvp content in a few hours.

YOU people are genuinly loud and wasting the devs' time with your whining, this is CLASSIC+ not RETAIL. remember back when you didn't even have tents/inn rested xp and you would be scraping through zones to just hit that 60. Now you are so used to effecient leveling with rested xp and need even a bigger xp boost with BGs. Just shut the fuck up and put an end to this madness let them cry for a little while, they either get used to it or leave. And frankly everyone would rather you guys just leave.

Toxic, whiny, obnoxious literal cuckoo chicks behaviour.

On that note, I believe the lashers nerf is not good, I don't farm there personally. But it helped stabilizing the prices of herbs and thus all consums. You probably heard that a lot here and I am just here to add my voice.

[Vex]

I think that focus is on the wrong things, first with the attempts to make killing low lvls punishable and now nerfing bg xp when server is already x1. Changes that I do not understand why they are prioritized above others. I think you should leave things as they were on Tel Abim and focus on PvP balancing etc. And I mean by that bring back the x2 xp and revert bg xp boost because current rules forbid boosting of any kind using your high level to boost your low lvl alt character.

For many people, we did this content so many times that we do not have patience to do it again with harsher rates on our alts. There is always slow and steady challenge for people who want to play slow. Allow us to either boost our alts with main, boost friends with our mains or revert to 2x xp. I don't want "funserver" experience, to be clear, but I think the way xp worked on tel abim was completely fine with everyone and I see no reason to change that as the focus was on PvP.

[Zed65]

I think that focus is on the wrong things, first with the attempts to make killing low lvls punishable and now nerfing bg xp when server is already x1. Changes that I do not understand why they are prioritized above others. I think you should leave things as they were on Tel Abim and focus on PvP balancing etc. And I mean by that bring back the x2 xp and revert bg xp boost because current rules forbid boosting of any kind using your high level to boost your low lvl alt character.

For many people, we did this content so many times that we do not have patience to do it again with harsher rates on our alts. There is always slow and steady challenge for people who want to play slow. Allow us to either boost our alts with main, boost friends with our mains or revert to 2x xp. I don't want "funserver" experience, to be clear, but I think the way xp worked on tel abim was completely fine with everyone and I see no reason to change that as the focus was on PvP.

There are other private server to insta boost you to 60 so you can pvp all you want. If you feel like 99% of the game content is boring except BGs just quit and look for a 10x xp pvp private server.

[Vex]

I think that focus is on the wrong things, first with the attempts to make killing low lvls punishable and now nerfing bg xp when server is already x1. Changes that I do not understand why they are prioritized above others. I think you should leave things as they were on Tel Abim and focus on PvP balancing etc. And I mean by that bring back the x2 xp and revert bg xp boost because current rules forbid boosting of any kind using your high level to boost your low lvl alt character.

For many people, we did this content so many times that we do not have patience to do it again with harsher rates on our alts. There is always slow and steady challenge for people who want to play slow. Allow us to either boost our alts with main, boost friends with our mains or revert to 2x xp. I don't want "funserver" experience, to be clear, but I think the way xp worked on tel abim was completely fine with everyone and I see no reason to change that as the focus was on PvP.

There are other private server to insta boost you to 60 so you can pvp all you want. If you feel like 99% of the game content is boring except BGs just quit and look for a 10x xp pvp private server.

I already said I and many others do not want to be insta boosted nor do we want funserver experience which you would know if you read past 1. sentence. We simply want these things as they were on tel abim. Nobody complained about them back on turtle wow nor thought it needs to be changed. I do not understand the passive aggressivenes in your typing, people here make reasonable arguments but they should be read first before posting.

[Yotca]

I have a word of advice to Kestrel and the loud, annoying minority in here specifically the "BG" people.

Kestrel, you should stop trying to appease everyone. These people are complaining that they can't cheat a challenge (S&S) through fast pvp leveling and reaping the rewards, they want to a retail-like leveling experience because leveling is a "boring and mundane" activity, they want a PVP server where everyone 10-60 lives inside the BGs.. so much for PVP... what even is the point.

I for one leveled normally 1-60 but did a few BGs and I didn't even know BGs granted this insane amount of XP and it genuinly hurted me because it was much more effecient, I couldn't even try moonwhisper 50-60 because AV was just too good. I get it that not everyone wants to quest for the millionth time. But hey this is a classic+ server not retail. If you don't like it go pay up 15$ to blizzard and enjoy max lvl pvp content in a few hours.

YOU people are genuinly loud and wasting the devs' time with your whining, this is CLASSIC+ not RETAIL. remember back when you didn't even have tents/inn rested xp and you would be scraping through zones to just hit that 60. Now you are so used to effecient leveling with rested xp and need even a bigger xp boost with BGs. Just shut the fuck up and put an end to this madness let them cry for a little while, they either get used to it or leave. And frankly everyone would rather you guys just leave.

Toxic, whiny, obnoxious literal cuckoo chicks behaviour.

On that note, I believe the lashers nerf is not good, I don't farm there personally. But it helped stabilizing the prices of herbs and thus all consums. You probably heard that a lot here and I am just here to add my voice.

You're clearly conflating and confusing PvP server players with PvE players trying to cheat s&s. We have a different rule set and different problems that make our lives much harder than yours.

Things the PvE server has that allows faster leveling

• Cross-faction guilds
• Cross-faction BG's for short Q
• Cross-faction dungeons for short Q
• Cross-faction friends
• Cross-faction auction house
• One global community
• Easier group formation
• Higher overall population (10x ; 20x if you count faction split)

Having Shamans and Paladins in the same group is a huge boost to leveling speed and that's without factoring the 20x population difference...

Things the PvP server has that prevents easier leveling

• Permanent warmode so you can be killed anywhere by level 60's including your starter zone — ever seen a Warlock or Shadow priest dot people in Northshire or Elwynn?
• No cross-faction dungeons so less people to group with and no shamans/paladin combos so less overall stats to clear — the game is balanced around cross-faction
• No cross-faction BG's do longer Q
• No outside multiboxing
• No shared AH
• 1/10th of PvE server overall population (1/20th if you count faction split)

Then here you are claiming this is classic+ ; things Twow introduced to address QoL and population issues

• Cross faction for PvE
• Tents and rested XP (both nerfed by Octo)
• Guild house tabard teleports and faster rested (non existent on Octo)
• QoL donation shop items
• Scaling raids so smaller guilds and server populations can enjoy the game too
• More crafting recipes specifically for leveling
• Streamlined healers — all healing classes are strong
• Hybrid upgrades (Shaman/Paladin) for viability
• Streamlined tanks — all tanks can tank nearly any encounter
• New dungeons with very strong gear for leveling
• Tier sets for everyone and every specialisation
• Dual (quad) talents for everyone
• New leveling zones to fill the gaps and prevent repetitive grinding to reach certain level caps & allow more fluidity

Turtle has always provided QoL and easier ways to level which is also why Tel'Abim had x2 rates due to the fact it's a PvP server without cross faction which not only makes the game harder but further divides the population — 1/10th becomes 1/20th or less depending on faction balance — finding dungeons groups or even BG's is 20 times harder.

You think 20x harder is what it should be for us? We're asking for x2 xp to address server population issues which would resolve many of the above issues on it's own.

The dungeon mobtag change affects PvP server more than PvE because we are not allowed to multibox outside and can die helping a friend mobtagging outside.

The BG xp change affects PvP more than PVE because the grouping for WSG/AB is per 10 levels(40-49 etc) and for 2 BG's instead of 5 dungeons we can't group for anyways because of limited population. There's currently no incentive to BG after the nerf.

Should things be 20x harder for us? If anything we're closer to Vanilla than the PvE server ever will be.

Do not allow yourself to post about us "complaining" when our constraints are very different from yours — you PvE server cross faction folks are the ones playing on easy mode and are the furthest removed from any sort of vanilla+ experience.