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Niyu wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 7:22 pm

Therealvda wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 7:15 pm Glad you realised you were wrong. Have a great day.

In my conversation with you I have realised something entirely different. And I am thankful for that. Truly.

That your argument made no sense, perhaps?

Nseternal wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 5:17 pm

Holydruid wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:19 pm Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

i am agreeing with what others in this thread say about shaman being OP. it's clear the class does carry horde bgs due to the fact all horde is full pvp gear here and continue to win 99% of bgs. very first AV is a steamroll should be a clear indicator. the only way alliance has a chance to win is through premades which don't happen due to server being dead.

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

"class carries" "only reason you win"
even though you responded to me literally showing you that we stomped a BG, WITH 0 SHAMANS.
but shockingly that every single BG on Ally is 50% pally.
You ever thought that maybe its more a skill issue? Not a class issue

Holydruid wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 12:17 am

Nseternal wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 5:17 pm

Holydruid wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:19 pm Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

i am agreeing with what others in this thread say about shaman being OP. it's clear the class does carry horde bgs due to the fact all horde is full pvp gear here and continue to win 99% of bgs. very first AV is a steamroll should be a clear indicator. the only way alliance has a chance to win is through premades which don't happen due to server being dead.

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

"class carries" "only reason you win"
even though you responded to me literally showing you that we stomped a BG, WITH 0 SHAMANS.
but shockingly that every single BG on Ally is 50% pally.
You ever thought that maybe its more a skill issue? Not a class issue

here, i'll copy it again in case you forgot how to read:

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

Defiant wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 6:30 pm Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

Preach brother.

I remember coming to TA as a fresh 60, greens and blues with a barely functioning build going up against r14's and naxx geared killers juiced up on all buffs possible lol

And i didn't bitch once "ohhh this shit is so imbalanced" like of course it is, thats part of the challenge, sticking to it and figuring it out, learning the patterns of each player and adapting accordingly as i geared myself up to eventually become the r14 myself and making people run at the sight of me thats literally what pvp is about, anyone saying "r14 doesn't require skill" is part of the braindead Poser Vs Poser pvp andy who yells "IMBAAAAA" every time his overgeared characters / premades don't facroll entire BG flawlessly with 30-0 score in the end lol.

Sadly thats the vision of pvp for most people here "ughh i'll outgear everyone so i can be the best" when in fact true pvp'ers couldnt give less shit about gear, yea the discrepancy can cause issues at times but you learn to be useful and play to your strengths anyway.

People bitch way too much cuz they don't actually think the situation through and are butthurt cuz they lost after spending gaziilion gold on faps and lips so they come here to complain since their "i win button" didn't work as it should one time so now the whole game is dogshit, players and devs suck and everyone is to blame but the fact they can't understand YOU CANNOT WIN ALL GAMES ON A COMPETATIVE PVP SERVER.

THAT IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT FFS lol.

You know the server is good if the games are competative and players don't give eachother time to breathe with non constant action. Thats what its all about, people who enjoy pvp come for that sensation of having that 2/2 wsg or that needle thread tight 1990/2000 AB victory, those are trully the pinnacle games where you just feel both side gave it their all and it was razor thin victory either way.

For me at least, nothing beats that and as long as that happens people shouldn't complain about nothing, bg's aint about gear they are about strategy, situational awareness, communication and teamwork but you always have idiots who think they are running the show or in charge thinking half the bg needs to listen to them or whatever, its impossible to get to any meaningful rank and not have bad games lol, they are part of the learning curve but these fuckers just wanna yell their furstrations out and blame everything like they are supposed to win all the time.

Sure, some matchups can make you feel helpless and furstrated but you don't ask for half the game to get nerfed or whatever, ask for some compensating mechanic if needed on your class and learn to play around it.

As a rogue i had terrible experience dealing with DOTs, even if i kill warlocks or boomkins i had scenarios where i would leave the fight with like 70% hp and still fucking die due to having 3-4 dots on me to the point where i would still die even while eating food lol. So i gathered a complete spirit set to swap on to have like 200hp per sec regen outside combat so once out of it i would live even if i was left at 300 hp or whatever low enough just to survive swapping into it and possibly eating food on top of that when needed, eliminated my issue almost 95% so there is definitely work arounds for most stuff if you are dedicated enough or like to think outside the regular meta box.

Point is, i didnt come on discords and forums and wchat yelling "NERF FUCKING WARLOCKS AND BOOMIES FFS".

Some people here seriously need some self evaluation before queeing lol.

Holydruid wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 12:17 am

Nseternal wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 5:17 pm

Holydruid wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:19 pm Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

i am agreeing with what others in this thread say about shaman being OP. it's clear the class does carry horde bgs due to the fact all horde is full pvp gear here and continue to win 99% of bgs. very first AV is a steamroll should be a clear indicator. the only way alliance has a chance to win is through premades which don't happen due to server being dead.

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

"class carries" "only reason you win"
even though you responded to me literally showing you that we stomped a BG, WITH 0 SHAMANS.
but shockingly that every single BG on Ally is 50% pally.
You ever thought that maybe its more a skill issue? Not a class issue

So ur saying buff paladins because even with 50% of the bg being paladin we got rolled? While micayah is out there 3v1ing people ., also at 60 the amount of pala and shaman players are same.

Defiant wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 6:30 pm Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

Considering no one in the history of turtle / octo ever "catered to pvp crowd" you can pause your crashouts.

Crackadia wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:36 am

Defiant wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 6:30 pm Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

Considering no one in the history of turtle / octo ever "catered to pvp crowd" you can pause your crashouts.

I genuinely don't know what Defiant would do with his time if not trolling the pvp realm. His posts and the 1-2 other bad faith commenters who are always needlessly aggressive and rude to pvp realm players are a pretty strong argument for having our own suggestion section separate from the pve realm.

Evidence: current gear disparities based off pvp rank

it's clear as fucking day horde win 99% of BGs else the rank spread would be mostly equal.

Defiant wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 6:30 pm Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

tl;dr

i got an idea, if you aren't playing on Y'shaarj mind your own fucking business

Knifewrench wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 7:17 am
So ur saying buff paladins because even with 50% of the bg being paladin we got rolled? While micayah is out there 3v1ing people ., also at 60 the amount of pala and shaman players are same.

Skill issue