2026-10-06

[Berdal]

It's a change that is fixing a problem that didn't exist. Enough of those types of changes and you get something that sounds like it makes sense on paper but doesn't feel good anymore. People liked what twow was and "fixing" all these "problems" that nobody had an issue with is inelegant and doesn't serve the devs or the community. The weirdness aspect that you're talking about is exactly one of the kinds of things that made Tauren shamans interesting, it's a quirk, there are a lot of them. Weird is interesting, asymmetry is interesting, it's literally what makes classic worth playing over something like retail where everything is designed with a cookie cutter.

I agree to both sides/arguments. Having asymmetry and it available at level 1 is unique and interesting. But likewise, that quest at level 40 rewarding nothing is equally distasteful.

[Cariad]

It's a change that is fixing a problem that didn't exist. Enough of those types of changes and you get something that sounds like it makes sense on paper but doesn't feel good anymore. People liked what twow was and "fixing" all these "problems" that nobody had an issue with is inelegant and doesn't serve the devs or the community. The weirdness aspect that you're talking about is exactly one of the kinds of things that made Tauren shamans interesting, it's a quirk, there are a lot of them. Weird is interesting, asymmetry is interesting, it's literally what makes classic worth playing over something like retail where everything is designed with a cookie cutter.

I agree with you in principle, but I don't think this particular case holds up. It'd be like if orc shamans started with their water totem unlocked, with no explanation, and still able to do the quest at 20 for no reward. Or if dwarf warlocks started with the felsteed unlocked.

The game should have friction, and it should have quirks, but that doesn't mean you should never fix things either.

[Cysthen]

No it was more like it gives Shaman Lunatics a tool to not be useless compared to Paladin. Paladin has better Heal scaling and Seal of Righteousness scales well with Spell Damage. Shamans utility beyond Tauren Stomp has been removed. That said not sure if Holy Light Rank 1 has had it's scaling here adjusted to .33 which was a Turtle WoW change later. Or if Shaman, Druid, and Priest Lunatic Heal threat has been adjusted to threat parity with Paladin. That core change was implemented on Turtle WoW. A change publically available on a forum post I made. I understand why they made the change for Totemic Slam. It looks good on paper but I think the big picture is that it's something that wasn't hurting anyone and feels bad. People are upset because it seemed unnecessary. I don't currently play here just here to defend the Lunatic Challenge in its entirety where ever it is if people play it.

// --- Configuration ---
// Level One Lunatic Challenge ID
#define SPELL_LEVEL_ONE_LUNATIC_ID 57736

// --- Implementation Logic ---
if (caster->HasAura(SPELL_LEVEL_ONE_LUNATIC_ID))
{
// Define targeted Rank 1 heal IDs
static const std::unordered_set<uint32> lowRankHealIds = {
8004, // Lesser Healing Wave (Rank 1)
5185, // Healing Touch (Rank 1)
2050 // Lesser Heal (Rank 1)
};

// Retrieve the spell currently being processed
if (Spell* spell = caster->GetCurrentSpell(CURRENT_GENERIC_SPELL))
{
if (lowRankHealIds.find(spell->m_spellInfo->Id) != lowRankHealIds.end())
{
threat *= 0.5f; // Apply 50% threat reduction
}
}
}

[Lane157]

Please, tie the priority login to the account (like the whitelist before) and not the launcher. The launcher is still not perfect and I find it better to just start the game through VanillaFixes directly but doing so won't let me connect as opposed to using the launcher.