y'shaart 2x xp

[Yotca]

someone should explain to you, what's the difference between "and" vs "or"

and that's why Devs shouldnt listen to the same 10-20 shouting the loudest
the ones that have a different opinion are scared to speak up, for obvious reasons
when someone has a different opinion than them, they turn into personal attacks, completely unralated to the topic

Why are you against a poll then. Make a poll, then everyone vote and let the majority decides. Or do you have an issue with this too?

Him and others are against a poll because to them this is about being right or wrong — and being able to make claims addressing the opposing position.

A poll would instantly prove right or wrong and discredit everything they've said here as they haven't argued for or against 2x xp but only argued against those wanting it.

Whereas the rest of us arguing for 2x xp and presenting arguments as to why it should be a staple are arguing for a healthy server — not to be right or wrong.

Case in point being the sheer amount of reductio per absurdum, strawmanning and name calling from many (not all) of the people arguing against those who have argued for 2x xp.

All we're asking for is a healthy server and the numerous dubious changes already made by the devs have impacted the server's already complicated situation be it the dungeon mob tag nerf which is no different from outside mob tag — if anything it requires more skill — the BG xp nerf, more so on an explicitly PvP server with permanent war mode ; the lasher farm nerf, which has destroyed raiding consumable economy which Turtle had worked for ; the fact that they lied about PvE to PvP transfers, which made many people roll on PvE server and artificially inflated the original PvE server population, which contributed to it's success and created an issue for PvP server population afterwards, as people often make their decisions based on population.

The simple solution to most of these problems is 2x xp but the very vocal minority crowd who are a mix of N'zoth (so unrelated) players and an extreme minority of Y'Shaarj players would rather invent positions no one has taken such as instant level 60 or 10x xp or even fully geared options instead of addressing the actual arguments.

[Yotca]

i'm not exactly against a poll
https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1355

Basically, i'm against exagerrating with the numbers, like saying that EVERYONE is against x1
or personally "attacking" anyone against it, even Devs

We've had Defiant, Joyson and others be outright insulting before anyone even began replying to them.

Don't even attempt to turn the accusation around.

No one has attacked devs personally either. You've been shot down on the discord because people know everything that's been said here and your attempts to quote them out of context was called out by multiple people.

Argue with sound logic if you can, instead of sophistry.

[Yotca]

i really thought that you are a normal person that would answer all my questions about exagerrating with the numbers or your attitude vs the Devs, but i was wrong
instead of that you deflected every question and schizo posting since
Just the fact that you are delusional enough to believe that you have any influence as a random NOBODY on Octo or discord moderation, tells me everything i need to know about you

Let me remind something to everyone here

If you want a democratically run PvP server I suggest you make one.

PS dont forget to ping Awenel

Tifa, you never answered any of my questions —not one— now you act like your deflections are counter-questions. You use multiple accounts everywhere and act, you & no one else, as if you were important. Be it here, discord or in-game.

We all have a voice and can use it.
When multiple people voice the same opinion with growing numbers —trying to reduce that by singling someone out and calling him delusional is a testament to your lack of awareness and understanding of the real world.

You're arguably the most bipolar user anywhere be it forums, discord or in-game since the existence of Twow.
You have no clue how to write, argue or even act like a normal person without being aggressive or rude —you're disliked by most people and have resorted to changing identities and hiding more than once due to the consequences of your actions— how people act towards you is the reflection of your own conduct and attempting to shift blame or cut communication, as you've regularly done, isn't preserving your peace; it's avoiding accountability and reactive abuse.

Hey devs

— Tifa here claimed multiple times on discord via omission that he's a dev and knows many things we don't; oddly he doesn't allow himself the same grandstanding on the forums.
What was your policy regarding that already?

[Yotca]

Yup. You too

[Vex]

I support 2x for shaart

[Blindtongue]

this is the argument, pristine.

also rogues enjoyed a pickpocket bug early that yielded much more silver than normal, a lvl 30 had like 50g at one point. not sure if it was fixed but only way i can see a rogue getting epic mount right upon hitting 60.

thank you. i mean i couldnt give less shit about xp rates but i know many people who didn't even play until they "unbanned" boosting meaning people want an easy ride to 60 since its a pvp fucking server and thats when the true fun starts.

No one gives a shit about leveling experience on pvp server, keep that shit for PVE server, we want good competative pvp matches and lots of em.

As for pickpocketing i really don't know tbh, i rarely pickpocket when farming but i have pretty good grinding build that allows me to reach like 150/200 mob kills per hour ratio, i actually find pp to be waste of time in most cases since by the time i route inbetween mobs to pp them first then kill them i could had pulled all 3 killed them and moved on to the next pack so kind of pointless for me really, i never really digged it anyway even tho its much smoother now with autoloot on too, was a pain in ass to pp manualy on twow so i never really bothered with it lol

[Spicyahi]

this is the argument, pristine.

also rogues enjoyed a pickpocket bug early that yielded much more silver than normal, a lvl 30 had like 50g at one point. not sure if it was fixed but only way i can see a rogue getting epic mount right upon hitting 60.

thank you. i mean i couldnt give less shit about xp rates but i know many people who didn't even play until they "unbanned" boosting meaning people want an easy ride to 60 since its a pvp fucking server and thats when the true fun starts.

No one gives a shit about leveling experience on pvp server, keep that shit for PVE server, we want good competative pvp matches and lots of em.

As for pickpocketing i really don't know tbh, i rarely pickpocket when farming but i have pretty good grinding build that allows me to reach like 150/200 mob kills per hour ratio, i actually find pp to be waste of time in most cases since by the time i route inbetween mobs to pp them first then kill them i could had pulled all 3 killed them and moved on to the next pack so kind of pointless for me really, i never really digged it anyway even tho its much smoother now with autoloot on too, was a pain in ass to pp manualy on twow so i never really bothered with it lol

pickpocket farms typically involve picking elites and not killing them. but ok.

[Blindtongue]

pickpocket farms typically involve picking elites and not killing them. but ok.

did my fair share of LBRS pp runs just to get Ravenholdt rep up for no reason, i know the procedure and it aint worth the time.

he was also refering to pickpocketing at lower levels so i highly doubt its worth it more there either lol, pp when its convenient, kill when not but what do i know, i was just the first guy on the horde side with the epic mount and people literally been begging me for farming tips ever since lol

edit: some dude even sent me a 10g tip yday cuz he said he farmed like half the gold he was missing for mount in 2-3 days following my tips

literally rolling in gold dunno what to spend it on lol while fuckers struggle doing 1 hour pp runs for barely 30g an hour lol

[Spicyahi]

pickpocket farms typically involve picking elites and not killing them. but ok.

did my fair share of LBRS pp runs just to get Ravenholdt rep up for no reason, i know the procedure and it aint worth the time.

he was also refering to pickpocketing at lower levels so i highly doubt its worth it more there either lol, pp when its convenient, kill when not but what do i know, i was just the first guy on the horde side with the epic mount and people literally been begging me for farming tips ever since lol

edit: some dude even sent me a 10g tip yday cuz he said he farmed like half the gold he was missing for mount in 2-3 days following my tips

literally rolling in gold dunno what to spend it on lol while fuckers struggle doing 1 hour pp runs for barely 30g an hour lol

I have a grail for sale

[Zeniet]

thank you. i mean i couldnt give less shit about xp rates but i know many people who didn't even play until they "unbanned" boosting meaning people want an easy ride to 60 since its a pvp fucking server and thats when the true fun starts.

No one gives a shit about leveling experience on pvp server, keep that shit for PVE server, we want good competative pvp matches and lots of em.

I disagree, I am living proof that this statement is objectively wrong. I believe the people that wants the instant 60 experience, are the people that migrated from TurtleWoW and expected the same exact experience on a fresh beta server, which blows my mind. This didn't happen within the first week, so now these people can't wait for the server to grow organically, and thus want higher xp rates.
I think PvP matches are fine and all, but I've always played on PvP server because of these much more immersive worlds it present, where there is a faction war that can be felt, and that I spontaneously can choose to be a part of in the open world.