GMs don’t care about anything

[Hfm1]

That's an incredibly stupid argument, and it's pure hindsight.

Nobody knew two weeks ago how long the DDoS attacks would continue or how badly they would affect the server. You don't get to pretend that the outcome was obvious after the fact and then blame people for making a decision based on what they knew at the time.

If your argument is seriously "you chose to keep playing, therefore it's your own fault when the server kills your character", then by that logic players should simply stop playing every time the server has stability issues. That's not a serious solution.

And you're still completely missing the actual point: I made multiple tickets about the problems caused by the DDoS attacks. They were ignored. I contacted a GM directly, was told to make a ticket, and that ticket was ignored too.

Nobody is demanding that the devs magically stop a DDoS attack. The criticism is about the complete lack of support for players who are losing progress because of it.

So before you start lecturing people about "just being patient", maybe understand what they're actually complaining about first. The fact that you can only respond with "that's on you" doesn't make your argument correct — it just makes it obvious that you have nothing useful to add.

"Nobody knew two weeks ago how long the DDoS attacks would continue or how badly they would affect the server."

Yeah, exactly, no one knew. My first thought wouldn't then be "Okay, now is the best time to play an HC/Slow and Steady character!", again this is free, you don't have to play those challenge characters now. Most of us can't play anything at all due to the DDOS, so maybe just play another game, or do literally anything else for awhile.

"then by that logic players should simply stop playing every time the server has stability issues."

I mean... yeah, obviously. You're not gonna live forever bro, why spend all day trying to login to a game experiencing a DDOS. Life is precious. Try reading books, there's some truly amazing ones out there.


"The GMs ignored my tickets!"
Yeah, probably because we're in the middle of a DDOS situation and they're getting about 2000 tickets a day. Not to mention, the DDOS itself probably makes it difficult for them to send a reply.

"Nobody is demanding that the devs magically stop a DDoS attack. "

When the discord channel existed there were players on every single day of the DDOS so far asking the devs to magically stop it. These kind of demands were in fact non stop.

"The criticism is about the complete lack of support for players who are losing progress because of it."
They've given updates virtually every single day, they gave us a free pet, and they said they would look at future compensation when the DDOS is actually over, which completely makes sense, and they said that really early on. You are completely misconstruing the situation and the dev's response to it.

"So before you start lecturing people about "just being patient", maybe understand what they're actually complaining about first. The fact that you can only respond with "that's on you" doesn't make your argument correct — it just makes it obvious that you have nothing useful to add."

Sorry if it came off as a lecture, but your response to it is SO over dramatic to be laughable, you're clearly just having an emotional response to something that is a frustrating situation for everyone and you're just lashing out at the devs and at me.

Do better.

You really went all in on arguing against things I never said.

Let's make this very simple, because apparently it needs to be.

I play Slow & Steady. I never complained that the devs haven't magically stopped the DDoS. I never said I'm entitled to play without risk. I never said they've done nothing about the DDoS.

My complaint was that I've died multiple times because of the DDoS, submitted multiple tickets about the consequences, had them ignored, contacted a GM directly, was told to submit a ticket, and then had that ticket ignored too.

That's it. That's the point.

Your response is basically: "You should have known the DDoS would continue, so don't play." Except you just admitted that nobody knew how long it would continue. So you're using hindsight to blame someone for a decision they made without having information that didn't exist at the time.

That's not an argument. That's hindsight.

Then you speculate that my tickets were probably ignored because the GMs are getting 2,000 tickets a day. You don't know that. You have absolutely no idea why my tickets were ignored, so maybe don't present your guess as if it's a fact.

And yes, the devs have provided updates. Yes, they gave out a pet. Yes, they've talked about compensation. None of that magically answers why the support I was specifically told to use resulted in nothing.

You keep quoting my words, changing what they mean, and then arguing with the version you've created.

And the best part is you finish by telling me to "Do better" while giving me such gems as "go read books" and "life is precious."

The condescending attitude isn't making your argument stronger. It's just making it increasingly obvious that you have no actual answer to the criticism.

So here's some advice you might want to take yourself:

Read what people actually wrote before responding to them. Stop arguing with things they never said. And if you can't do that, maybe don't lecture other people about doing better.

Now we've established what the actual point was. You can stop beating that strawman to death.

yo that was actual fun to read. What an execution thank u for this piece of art.

[Terribletank]

few days ago i was in raid with repetance guild as tank warrior. After we killing moroes, we got mail chest in loot. I rolled for him and i wot it. but they dont gived to me. Reason not for tank spec lol. But my bost not cryes about loot. They insulted me all russians for this (i have screenshots). AFter i do ticked and with 2 days proceedings. They just ignored me. So bans for players for loot scum for insulting for 0 tolerance (looks like iif u russians can be insulting here). But GMs writing me every 2 days for my HoJ runs. Why they care about 50g for hoje more than scums?
0 actions for quality of life with DDos, i asked do 0 gold for armor repair. 0 reactions. Players with slow and stady loosing XP every time. But GMs ignoring all this troubles. and focusing only on little things.

P.S. repetance guild Sorduar and Xiriah scumers
https://raidres.top/res/J8D5HW
https://ibb.co/JjwV8Ym4
https://ibb.co/M5cQX5yL

First off, why the hell did you roll a warrior and not a rogue or hunter like every other ninja?

Secondly, while i am not a Russian per se, i have been called a Russian literally gorillions of times during the Great Kekistani War of 2015-2016. As a result, Vlad has granted me Temporary Honorary Russian Protected Status, and therefore, and on behalf of all of muh Russian Piypo: DESIST WITH YOUR RUSSIAN-NINJA BEHAVIOR IMMEDIATELY!

[Ayesha]

I’ve witnessed a lot of russophobia, profiling and negative stereotyping towards Russians, in wow and on the interwebs in general for a very long time, like starting from pre 20s. I mean pretty much since I first interacted with the underbelly of the civilised world, which is private wow servers. Russia and Russians have become safe, politically correct punching bags for pretty much the whole English speaking world, it feels like.

The problem that you are talking about is real, but the exact situation you mention with this post is not a great example of that imo. And surprisingly octo has been better than turtle in this regard for some mysterious reason? Idk whether it’s some difference in moderation, population being split between different servers, or anything else. In any case, blatant hostility in world chat is way less pronounced here.

This post feels more like an outcry about a general problem that you’ve been experiencing. However I would not put this exchange you’ve had with gentlemen from repentence in the category of such bigoted behaviour, imo. Yeah I guess it’s stereotyping, but “fuck this Russian” is not so much about being you Russian as it is just about “fuck this guy who is Russian”. While at the same time I’m sure you and a lot of other Russians can come up with better examples of such bigoted behaviour that we should be talking about instead of this.

As for the loot drama, yeah, people will have different ideas about how stats work, and ultimately it will be up to the raid leader to decide what is considered a fair roll and what’s not.

[Rold]

IMHO you are the one who should be banned.
Stop playing on our server, go play retail.
And grow some balls.

[Pirtest]

"Nobody knew two weeks ago how long the DDoS attacks would continue or how badly they would affect the server."

Yeah, exactly, no one knew. My first thought wouldn't then be "Okay, now is the best time to play an HC/Slow and Steady character!", again this is free, you don't have to play those challenge characters now. Most of us can't play anything at all due to the DDOS, so maybe just play another game, or do literally anything else for awhile.

"then by that logic players should simply stop playing every time the server has stability issues."

I mean... yeah, obviously. You're not gonna live forever bro, why spend all day trying to login to a game experiencing a DDOS. Life is precious. Try reading books, there's some truly amazing ones out there.


"The GMs ignored my tickets!"
Yeah, probably because we're in the middle of a DDOS situation and they're getting about 2000 tickets a day. Not to mention, the DDOS itself probably makes it difficult for them to send a reply.

"Nobody is demanding that the devs magically stop a DDoS attack. "

When the discord channel existed there were players on every single day of the DDOS so far asking the devs to magically stop it. These kind of demands were in fact non stop.

"The criticism is about the complete lack of support for players who are losing progress because of it."
They've given updates virtually every single day, they gave us a free pet, and they said they would look at future compensation when the DDOS is actually over, which completely makes sense, and they said that really early on. You are completely misconstruing the situation and the dev's response to it.

"So before you start lecturing people about "just being patient", maybe understand what they're actually complaining about first. The fact that you can only respond with "that's on you" doesn't make your argument correct — it just makes it obvious that you have nothing useful to add."

Sorry if it came off as a lecture, but your response to it is SO over dramatic to be laughable, you're clearly just having an emotional response to something that is a frustrating situation for everyone and you're just lashing out at the devs and at me.

Do better.

You really went all in on arguing against things I never said.

Let's make this very simple, because apparently it needs to be.

I play Slow & Steady. I never complained that the devs haven't magically stopped the DDoS. I never said I'm entitled to play without risk. I never said they've done nothing about the DDoS.

My complaint was that I've died multiple times because of the DDoS, submitted multiple tickets about the consequences, had them ignored, contacted a GM directly, was told to submit a ticket, and then had that ticket ignored too.

That's it. That's the point.

Your response is basically: "You should have known the DDoS would continue, so don't play." Except you just admitted that nobody knew how long it would continue. So you're using hindsight to blame someone for a decision they made without having information that didn't exist at the time.

That's not an argument. That's hindsight.

Then you speculate that my tickets were probably ignored because the GMs are getting 2,000 tickets a day. You don't know that. You have absolutely no idea why my tickets were ignored, so maybe don't present your guess as if it's a fact.

And yes, the devs have provided updates. Yes, they gave out a pet. Yes, they've talked about compensation. None of that magically answers why the support I was specifically told to use resulted in nothing.

You keep quoting my words, changing what they mean, and then arguing with the version you've created.

And the best part is you finish by telling me to "Do better" while giving me such gems as "go read books" and "life is precious."

The condescending attitude isn't making your argument stronger. It's just making it increasingly obvious that you have no actual answer to the criticism.

So here's some advice you might want to take yourself:

Read what people actually wrote before responding to them. Stop arguing with things they never said. And if you can't do that, maybe don't lecture other people about doing better.

Now we've established what the actual point was. You can stop beating that strawman to death.

You've got 4 posts here, Cry Baby. Are you sure you don't work for Ravencraft?

I don't know what their motives are, but the blatant use of LLMs for the responses to you is pretty pathetic. It's either a bot or someone who has so little confidence in their own thinking skills that they have to outsource them to AI. (Unsuccessfully, of course, as it's always the case with LLMs).