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Igzee wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 8:33 pm

Kestrel wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 7:52 pm A stance/explanation from the devs with details from our internal investigation will be posted in either 3-4 ish hours here, or after the fireside chat if I am not able to get to it before then. In the meantime, if this thread continues in this manner (keep thing respectful) it will be locked until that response is made. Attempting to continue this in other threads will result in (likely temporary) bans on further forum posts.

Behave yourselves.

Any expected sanctions against those who tarnish guild reputation by continuously spamming the world chat with false claims and adding a link to this post which contains no proof to support their allegation ?

edit: I am also receiving threats that I will get ban if I don't delete this message and that I should leave Levia.

Nice lies kestrel can check our whispers in game i dident threaten anybody. Kestrel check my convo with that person in game. Thank you.

Thank you by the way Kestrel for bringing an announcement im glad to the devs for addressing this and deff loving the transparency. +1

Icantkite wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:30 pm

Igzee wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 8:33 pm

Kestrel wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 7:52 pm A stance/explanation from the devs with details from our internal investigation will be posted in either 3-4 ish hours here, or after the fireside chat if I am not able to get to it before then. In the meantime, if this thread continues in this manner (keep thing respectful) it will be locked until that response is made. Attempting to continue this in other threads will result in (likely temporary) bans on further forum posts.

Behave yourselves.

Any expected sanctions against those who tarnish guild reputation by continuously spamming the world chat with false claims and adding a link to this post which contains no proof to support their allegation ?

edit: I am also receiving threats that I will get ban if I don't delete this message and that I should leave Levia.

Nice lies kestrel can check our whispers in game i dident threaten anybody. Kestrel check my convo with that person in game. Thank you.

This was not a convo, you were the one talking.
it was 20+ lines of you inveighing me to leave the guild, explaining me that I am a bad person that makes the server a bad place and that I should delete my previous post in this thread.

I never had any exchange, discussion, trade, party nor raid with this character ingame or in any other media until today.
Icantkite was the one contacting me and, after he/she denigrating my guild on world chat for the last hour, I felt really harassed by this person.

I, too, ask for an investigation

Igzee wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:13 pm

Icantkite wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 10:30 pm

Igzee wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 8:33 pm

Any expected sanctions against those who tarnish guild reputation by continuously spamming the world chat with false claims and adding a link to this post which contains no proof to support their allegation ?

edit: I am also receiving threats that I will get ban if I don't delete this message and that I should leave Levia.

Nice lies kestrel can check our whispers in game i dident threaten anybody. Kestrel check my convo with that person in game. Thank you.

This was not a convo, you were the one talking.
it was 20+ lines of you inveighing me to leave the guild, explaining me that I am a bad person that makes the server a bad place and that I should delete my previous post in this thread.

I never had any exchange, discussion, trade, party nor raid with this character ingame or in any other media until today.
Icantkite was the one contacting me and, after he/she denigrating my guild on world chat for the last hour, I felt really harassed by this person.

I, too, ask for an investigation

All lies. A lie after a lie typical levia member. Ban this guy just for his lies imo

There have been a lot of claims falsely levied against both Levia and the GM's. Any claim that is not expressly discussed in this post should be considered investigated and closed with no evidence as we have dug into each and every claim levied ourselves.

The one claim that has held water is the claim that a GM, Pig, conspired with a singular member of the guild Levia to enact a ban on a player for using language that would typically result in a mute. We have found no in game evidence (and we do not have evidence from outside of the game) that implicates the guild as a whole.

As a result of this Pig has stepped down as GM and Event Coordinator and will no longer be preforming any GM, moderation or community facing duties. Whether or not there is a place on the team where they cannot abuse their power again is still being discussed internally.

In the interest of transparency, the chat logs surrounding this event can be seen below.

2026-07-08 03:49:58 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know this is going to be stupid but Chromie also lambasted you
2026-07-08 03:50:07 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I have screen cap of that
2026-07-08 03:51:19 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know that some mebers of levia are dumb as fuck about chromie but i dont have any issues or didn't before
2026-07-08 04:31:11 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Should I ban Chromie? xD
2026-07-08 04:31:18 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : I have enough here to do it.
2026-07-08 04:31:29 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Wont be perma but I think they could use a 10 day holiday
2026-07-08 04:31:36 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : chromie's a fucking c word
2026-07-08 04:32:15 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : were they critiquing the boost decision or more? i know they were being sassy but you choose if it wont over the line
2026-07-08 04:32:28 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know that person is psychotic so I am sure it did go a lil far
2026-07-08 04:32:39 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : If they were just critiquing that would be fine but they're calling a bunch of people names from the look of this log
2026-07-08 04:32:41 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : gonna do this
2026-07-08 04:32:47 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : correct
2026-07-08 04:32:57 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : For someone who likes to cry about harmless banter and "griefing" by standing on top of them, this is quite unbecoming I must say
2026-07-08 04:33:44 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : he's just a naysayer
2026-07-08 04:33:47 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : no real tohught of his own
2026-07-08 04:34:49 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Feel free to tell Levia xD
2026-07-08 04:34:55 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : LMAO
2026-07-08 04:36:04 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Alright I'm gonna head out. Thanks for the tip. I'll catch ya later/tmrw whatever itll be for ya

Kestrel wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:29 pm There have been a lot of claims falsely levied against both Levia and the GM's. Any claim that is not expressly discussed in this post should be considered investigated and closed with no evidence as we have dug into each and every claim levied ourselves.

The one claim that has held water is the claim that a GM, Pig, conspired with a singular member of the guild Levia to enact a ban on a player for using language that would typically result in a mute. We have found no in game evidence (and we do not have evidence from outside of the game) that implicates the guild as a whole.

As a result of this Pig has stepped down as GM and Event Coordinator and will no longer be preforming any GM, moderation or community facing duties. Whether or not there is a place on the team where they cannot abuse their power again is still being discussed internally.

In the interest of transparency, the chat logs surrounding this event can be seen below.

2026-07-08 03:49:58 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know this is going to be stupid but Chromie also lambasted you
2026-07-08 03:50:07 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I have screen cap of that
2026-07-08 03:51:19 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know that some mebers of levia are dumb as fuck about chromie but i dont have any issues or didn't before
2026-07-08 04:31:11 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Should I ban Chromie? xD
2026-07-08 04:31:18 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : I have enough here to do it.
2026-07-08 04:31:29 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Wont be perma but I think they could use a 10 day holiday
2026-07-08 04:31:36 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : chromie's a fucking c word
2026-07-08 04:32:15 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : were they critiquing the boost decision or more? i know they were being sassy but you choose if it wont over the line
2026-07-08 04:32:28 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : I know that person is psychotic so I am sure it did go a lil far
2026-07-08 04:32:39 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : If they were just critiquing that would be fine but they're calling a bunch of people names from the look of this log
2026-07-08 04:32:41 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : gonna do this
2026-07-08 04:32:47 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : correct
2026-07-08 04:32:57 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : For someone who likes to cry about harmless banter and "griefing" by standing on top of them, this is quite unbecoming I must say
2026-07-08 04:33:44 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : he's just a naysayer
2026-07-08 04:33:47 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : no real tohught of his own
2026-07-08 04:34:49 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Feel free to tell Levia xD
2026-07-08 04:34:55 [Whisp] Lyric -> Pig : LMAO
2026-07-08 04:36:04 [Whisp] Pig -> Lyric : Alright I'm gonna head out. Thanks for the tip. I'll catch ya later/tmrw whatever itll be for ya

So tldr every1 is a liar here. Might aswell perma me if all gms are corrupt ur server gonna have only1 guild am afraid. This is def not true.

Since Levia wants to keep on making a face like they are inviting some sort of investigation, I’ll lay it out for you. Cause I can’t believe it’s gotten to this point.

It’s well known within their guild that they are buddies with GMs Pig and possibly Valette. Even boasting that they have Valette on call for any issues, seems to be a possible private discord handle or server.

Levia claimed THEY were the ones who revealed the Meatgrinder / Bushdoctor situation, but there was every experienced player in the server who immediately questioned how the hell someone got the hammer so fast and made tickets or flagged this to others. Not to mention how the server's first MC for some reason had a Pig joke about drops for certain rare items and insinuating a player's drop they really wanted and got might’ve been nudged a little bit. Don’t forget to cast slowfall on the whole raid with your GM powers, oh wait, someone said it’s a priest spell so it’s not GM help? :O

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They bug abuse, and only report the bug after they’ve abused it for their own gain, to a ridiculous degree:

Igzee did it with Dreamscales, Onlyfeetgawd did it with the 3 minute rare in Moonwhisper just yesterday. It’s funny how me and a guildie killed it 10 times, and a Levia member with their alt, not in the Levia guild, but some sort of misspelled “Lavea” or something rocks up and cries it’s bug abuse and Pig told him so. We didn’t acknowledge his presence but understood it’s not intended and fucked off. Yet hours later you have Onlyfeetgawd camping it for an hour MINIMUM and having a mailbox next to the rare to mail off the BOE items. Valette was the one to respond to my ticket, but I for some reason doubt Onlyfeetgawd was punished for such blatant and extreme bug abuse, wasn’t at least communicated to me as such.
Other members most likely bug abused the PvP items for a shitload of Nexus Crystals, and I suspect that’s one of the reasons why Nexus Crystal price has tanked so hard. It’s not normal for it to be 6g on the AH at this stage.

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Do you wanna talk about toxicity? Let’s do that as well. While I called them and their guild retarded, they have done the following:

Crypty and Filo both were on my ignore list and both whispered to me on their alts, asking why I ignored them (Women must love them if they can't take an ignore). Crypty going so far as to start bugging other people in SW to ask or contact me on why he was on my ignore list.

Crypty intentionally griefed me and the people I was offering my enchanting services to by blocking me with their bear model. I can only guess it had to do with the fact that after I put most of them on Ignore, they got screwed over cause there were 2 people with the +55 healing enchant, and the other guy was charging 50g + mats, which were around +70g at the time, for the enchant.

While Crypty, Lopp and Diely were online and sitting in Stormwind, magically a character called “Chrometard” appeared next to me, and just before that, I had reported Crypty blocking me again and Valette “had to go” to the other realm to do something else and there was no other GM left online, JUST as that character appeared. Fortunately screenshots are one hell of a thing and I did just that. Obsessed about me for months. To the point where I’m the #1 player they talk about in their guild chat btw.

Did Crypty just get warned for griefing Chromie with his bear form? Well Lopp finds it funny, but didn’t really tell him, as a Guild Master, to not repeat that behaviour in Guild Chat. Before he comes in with “Well he was warned by a GM”, you laughing at it isn’t really showing that you disapprove of this behaviour lol.

Obsessed with me so bad, their member Lyric had a parasocial relationship with Pig and used that relationship to ban me. I’m not calling this relationship romantical or whatever, but that it’s just… weird. Why would it be weird you might ask? Well, because, turns out Lyric was boasting about it to Levia, that she was talking to Pig. Turns out Lyric has had some GM experience or knows how they work, collected screenshots of me calling people retarded and then got me banned for 10 days, but wait, That’s not all! Not only did they get me banned, Pig asked Lyric if he should ban me for 10 days, then saying he did it and adding “you can go tell Levia xD” This is peak neckbeard reddit moderator powertripping.

Kestrel overturned the ban, as it was too heavy handed, but we both also agreed, there was a punishment for me necessary.

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PvP Collusion & Hypocrisy shit:

As soon as the infamous Meatgrinder / Bushdoctor situation happened, Levia started /spiting and insulting guild members of Panda before any formal investigations were happening. You had Igzee go on some psychotic rants and comments about the punishment and harassing other players (BTW thanks for taking that psycho off our hands, the dude had quite the short fuse and had the balls to say the N word in Voice chat, with the context of “The Gnome jokes are just a replacement for *insert N word*, full hard french hard R and everything). That thread was deleted, but you had so many Levia members overcompensating their anger, cause they had a GM in their own pocket, and I'm guessing some started sweating.

They reported and Harassed Deja Vu members for PvP Collusion, but funnily enough, they’ve done the same shit:

Healing and assisting their Horde Rogue Filo when he was in Stormwind killing people.

PvP collusion in BGs, that manifested itself in the form of sudden uncooperation of Alliance Levia members, when Horde Levia members were present on the opposite team. Usually running the other way or not participating in the fight, and not indicating in ANY instances that they were going to not fight/run away. Thank you for the experience of this Warkeeper, Sin, Zugtard, Doordash & Mad.

Mad also had a habit of running into fights he could not win, doing it 10 times in a row, and Pig explaining this as “Seems to be overconfident in their abilities, so no foul play”. It’d be great if I could try to play PvP to improve at it when it’s a bit more fair than this BS.

Darkshado joining raids where he for whatever reason had the habit of dropping group to kill PvP flagged opposite faction raiders and then getting invited back. “Oh, but if this is true, why would the raidlead invite them back?”. Because the raidleader is busy with 20 whispers from people, half of whom show up with no attunement to the raid and needs to make sure that these people 1) Have the attunement 2) are geared enough to contribute to the raid and 3) fit into the raid composition with the class and spec they have.

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Then there’s their stellar reputation in group content:

Very well known for Ninjaing items in dungeons. As recently as yesterday, a Warlock of theirs rolling need on Devout Robes, a Priest T0 item, ignoring our shocked comments in raid chat, porting out, and then claiming in whispers that they didn’t know it was a Priest T0 piece. Multiple, and I mean MULTIPLE instance where they are toxic or unbelievably stupid in dungeons. When things go wrong it’s always someone ELSE’s fault. Tank couldn’t hold agro, so the healer gets heal agro? Must be the healers fault.

Do you wanna join their Kara10 pugs? Well, there’s a gear check involved, for a raid that gets you gear, to be able to go to a main raid btw. Yes, you don’t want people in greens who can barely survive BRD, but active gear checks with the comment “Gear must be enchanted” is so unbelievably elitist. No, I do not care that “you have standards” or that “you get undergeared noobs”, it’s really not about that at all.

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I had always thought they only cared about people who had “Levia” next to their name, but alas, not even guild members are free from the wrath of people overcompensating:

Suddenly, they removed EU people from their only raid time because they couldn’t contribute to the guild's efforts during guild activities happening during US time. Let’s ignore the fact that this didn’t come with any alternatives set out for EU people who dedicated their time to raid in the middle of the night. These aren’t teenagers with time to spare, these are people, ADULTS, with work, friends and families. They didn’t allow people to bring alts to their raids anymore. Gearing is exclusively for mains. UNLESS, it’s an officer alt, then we’ll SR a Legendary for them.

Clown's snide little comment in discord about it not being the first time that something like this happens isn’t the epic reddit moderator comeback comment he thinks it is. It’s another pathetic attempt at dodging the real criticism and giving an answer, cause the answer is exactly what we know it to be, they’re privileged people who want to have it their way. Which isn’t an issue if you just say that’s the case lol, but denying it gives an illusion to the people in and outside the guild that these are good people.

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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish… Oh sorry. Give a guild free buffs and help them out with GM tools during a raid, they’ll keep asking for help, give a guild a chance to do the raid without GM help, you might prevent progression manipulation, or at least the damn idea of it:

They have world bosses on respawn, or at least beg on their knees for people to leave their groups in dungeons and log on, because another guild has been spotted near one of them. So the think thank of Levia concocted an idea, to possibly start charging people for the privilege of killing a world boss, such epic gamers man #ShakaBrah.

Now, Turtle Wow did implement a system where these worldbosses are summonable from certain items that drop from a raid, combined with other items from raids or open world mobs, so people can have a fair chance of doing these world bosses. And if a guild was organized and big enough to camp them on spawn, they could do that, but everyone doing world bosses was eligible for loot once a week. And if the mindset that Levia members seemed to have in the community discord chat a couple of days ago of “we’re so good/skilled that we have them on respawn lol so what get gud” really shows the true attitude of a guild like that. It’s less about you camping the world bosses, it’s more about you even THINKING of an absolutely horrid idea of “Pay to kill” services. You know what that leads into? GDKP and P2W services inside the game, that directly contribute to the advancement of RMT and the devs constant effort to catch them. If you want to do something like that, genuinely, go back to r*tail.

Let’s quickly call out how the Pig had to GM kill command MC bosses that crashed the server. But suddenly someone gets the loot they wanted because the GM rolled out the loot manually due to having to kill the boss? For other guilds I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but for this guild, given all these allegations (That aren’t even all encompassing, I’m not even giving them the benefit of smelling Tauren farts)

Another concoction of the brainiacs in their think tank was buying up all the mats to stunt the progression for everyone else on the server, so that Levia can be the #1 GM assisted guild in BWL I guess? Lopp clarified this allegation with them having Kazzak on spawn and setting the price for them on the AH. Boasting that that’s how they got enough gold for their guild bank. Let’s ignore the fact that this isn’t a Kazzad exclusive drop. It’s a 100% drop rate for 1 eye, until Kazzak spawns again. Being social and making friends allows you to ask for people to help you kill a bunch of the elites that also drop the eye lol. It’s a rough journey due to the low drop rate, but it’s hell of a lot smarter to do instead of buying manipulated price Eyes on the AH.

But Ladies and Gentlemen, that’s not all though. Elwynnforest confirmed to me personally, that they’re keeping their rarest profession recipes in guild. For what? Yes, that’s correct, to stunt the progression of other people on the server. Cause their race against Panda and Nebula is priority #1. Other than trying to force that shitty Orange Hammer copypasta that didn’t catch on lol. Granted, I was so generously extended the privilege of Elwynn crafting these gloves for me, but I ignored that part of his message lol. If you don’t want to give it to the rest of the people, I’m not interested.

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To cap off this crap salad:

Despite the length of this, this isn’t all encompassing. This is not everything they’ve done and it’s not going to be, as they continue to play this game with GM relationships that are too close. I don’t care about Levia members coming in here with “But where’s the proof” or “we welcome any investigation” (the same type of post they made fun of Panda for btw), as this is the best friend of a cop saying “I intend to fully cooperate” and magically have nothing come of it, despite the clear observation and confirmation from Levia’s own people about the situation. They’ll tell you this is one or two members, and that they don’t agree with this behaviour, but it’s ingrained in their guild, their attitude, their values and their leaders.

You could see in their messages yesterday on discord, they had nothing to say or discuss that was actually productive or true. Some sad quips of "you're weird" and clown emoji reactions to messages, one of them being actual proof of the Chrometard character btw. No, inviting us to your guild discord server to "talk things out" is not a solution at all. It was a solution maybe 2 or 3 months ago. But you've blown any sort of goodwill with most people on this server.

Icantkite's personal campaign to make Octo sound like a purposefully unscrupulous server instead of just being a dev team that is going through growing pains continues. If he was purposefully trying to dissuade people from joining he couldn't be doing a better job.

Devs, you're way behind on knowledge, foresight, and most of all communication. Please for the love of Octo start focusing on what the real issue is here AND start standardizing. A good start would be actually talking to one another.

Outside of this "issue of the week" you still have a handful of people blatantly attention seeking and making world chat an embarrassment. You are doing nothing but making their voices louder.

Imagine getting direct confirmation that this is a nothing burger and you respond with that AI slop Chromie. LOL. People here need to get a life and move on, sorry ICANTKITE and CHROMIE aren’t pleased with Levia but clearly they’re not looking for actual answers, they’re looking for blood. They’ve put rational and evidence in the backseat for opinion.

Yo i heard this is the place you go to bitch n moan about people you have led yourself to believe are somehow in a big cabal of evil collusive GM's and bug abusers.

For real though, the hell are you goobers on about, pulling shit outa thin air and making nonsensical conclusions.

Chill out, touch some grass, go hug your family, log out for a few hours. its hard i know to disconnect but the human brain can only take soo much stupid before it goes full stupid.

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