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Kestrel wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 6:57 am

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 5:49 am I hope you find your line in the sand, this is a conversation that has been had for the last 20 years.

If you want to mute "FuckLevia" so be it, but you should allow 'LuckFevia'

this is the classic experience, and WoW as we know and love.

They've opened themselves up to criticism and scrutiny and are the only guild with accusations levied against them as such, and AS MUCH AS THERE IS NEITHER CONFIRMATION NOR DENIAL, A GM STEPPED DOWN DUE TO INVOLVEMENT.

PERCEPTION IS REALITY, WHERE THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS FIRE.

I DO NOT HAVE TO BE AROUND A FARM TO KNOW PIGS, GOATS, AND COWS SHIT, NOR DO I HAVE TO SMELL IT.

There are private discords your staff do not have access to by VIRTUE of how you've modeled the decentralization of the serve.

If you have any additional GMs in that guild they need to /GQUIT immediately and move elsewhere, there are conflicts of interest.

Now suddenly the game isnt fun anymore for <LEVIA>, they're being harrassed, QQing.. they thought just because casuals arent pushing towards the content like -we- were, that we dont care? Such a shortsighted thought but when it wasn't fun, nor in consideration of the general playerbase it was "fair play" and "this is just classic" per Lopp?

Ultimately,

THEY NEED TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES, IF THEY ARE TIRED OF THE CRITICISM DISBAND AND RENAME. POINT BLANK. They can pay you in donocoins for name changes and if it persists then take action. Clowns like this would have been realm xferred. they deserve 0 oversight out of blatant violations, and i can understand why #FuckLevia wouldnt stand, but if Ollggaa wants to say #LuckFevia, and youre not muting him for #FUCKBLIZZARD your priorities are completely scuffed.

It wouldnt be out of bounds to ask you to publicly state what guilds had GMs in them, and then ask your staff moving forward to rename and move the fuck around if they want to continue playing with the community.

2 GMs have been fired/demoted due to their actions regarding player relationships WITHIN 3 MONTHS.

The onus and burden of delivering the performance of '0 trust' is on YOU, when there should be 0 trust in you but 100% trust in your SYSTEM, and so far we cant trust GMs in this system, And this is why LEVIA will ALWAYS be a fucking 10/10 meme joke because they exemplify the worst things of the classic experience.

We're having this convo because of TROLLING gone too FAR when their guild was in COHOOTS with GMS WHO HAD TO STEP DOWN regardless of what was proven or was not besides a fucking /w conversation (which inclines me to believe you know more than you lead on, but circumstantial evidence doesnt weigh enough)

I fear this is getting redundant, but... we are letting Levia fend for themselves. We are enforcing our chat rules equally. If you are suggesting that we turn a blind eye to chat violations because you don't like the way this group plays the game (neither do I), then you have a gross misunderstanding of the values of our team.

You say you can't trust GM's in this system, can you give me an example of why not? There have been two GM's who have abused the trust, and both incidents were rectified within 24 hours, the worst harm that was done was to Chromie who was unable to play for a day. That sounds to me like a system that is working to ensure fair play, and like the incidents will naturally stop as bad actors are weeded out. Sounds to me like you know for a fact that existing GM's are either well behaved or issues will be corrected rapidly and transparently.

You can't have a transparent and accountable system without having to air out the ugly bits. Their guild was not in cahoots with a GM, a GM was too friendly with a member of their guild and was behaving in consistently unprofessional ways. It was addressed and affected parties made whole and we all move on. Clearly there is a lack of understanding on your part on what we have access to, but we can see everything our GM's do and have audited them repeatedly, especially as it relates to all their actions with Levia.

#FUCKBLIZARD is ok because it is not harassing an in game group or person (I assume no blizzard employees are playing but who knows I guess, if I get that ticket that will be a fun one)

i'll level with you on #fucklevia at this stage, however

#luckfevia should pass.

To address these your two points here

"You say you can't trust GM's in this system, can you give me an example of why not? There have been two GM's who have abused the trust, and both incidents were rectified within 24 hours, the worst harm that was done was to Chromie who was unable to play for a day. That sounds to me like a system that is working to ensure fair play, and like the incidents will naturally stop as bad actors are weeded out. Sounds to me like you know for a fact that existing GM's are either well behaved or issues will be corrected rapidly and transparently."

2 demotions in 3 months doesnt change even if your response was quick and thorough (which i will give you, you nip shit in the bud QUICKLY, but its like.. why are we even here in the first place?)

You can't have a transparent and accountable system without having to air out the ugly bits. Their guild was not in cahoots with a GM, a GM was too friendly with a member of their guild and was behaving in consistently unprofessional ways. It was addressed and affected parties made whole and we all move on. Clearly there is a lack of understanding on your part on what we have access to, but we can see everything our GM's do and have audited them repeatedly, especially as it relates to all their actions with Levia."

Pig was telling Lyric to go ahead and let the 'GUILD' know about Chromie's ban status, and not just Lyric which Im sure could have been "hey keep this to yourself" but no it was "you can tell the guild" which sounds like.. cahoots to me lol!

I understand how far your access goes, nothing was generated for them, i understand what you can or cant see, and it directly reflects to what is done 'in-game'.

But I promise you conversations and plans went further in private discords that you dont have access to. You were able to show us in game whisper of the Chromie situation and that was a smoke show, I can only imagine what their private discord conversations looked like.

One of the benefits of having a pocket GM isnt just generating items for you, it's getting people Banned/Muted/Disciplined just like how Chromie was. GMs in guilds have plausible deniability seeing a guild discord note, finding their friend, and taking all other communications off-server. This may be something that'll never be fixed or detected.

We appreciate your transparency and how quick you are to nip things in the bud, I love seeing RMT banwaves come across my chat. I enjoy playing the server, I enjoy trolling the shit out of Levia any chance I get because they made themselves a joke.

I also dont mind GMs playing the game they work on, it would be hell of a job to moderate these chuds for pretty much free and not enjoy the game too lol, no ones asking for that.. Im asking for their alts to be renamed/shuffled silently incase anyone else is aware of their identities.

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:27 pm But I promise you conversations and plans went further in private discords that you dont have access to. You were able to show us in game whisper of the Chromie situation and that was a smoke show, I can only imagine what their private discord conversations looked like.

can u PROVIDE PROOF of any plans that went further in private discords?
anything?

this is exactly the type of harassment that OctoTeam is trying to protect Levia from
"baseless accusations" from random innocent ppl that swear it's for the good of the community

Darktifa wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:40 pm

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:27 pm But I promise you conversations and plans went further in private discords that you dont have access to. You were able to show us in game whisper of the Chromie situation and that was a smoke show, I can only imagine what their private discord conversations looked like.

can u PROVIDE PROOF of any plans that went further in private discords?
anything?

this is exactly the type of harassment that OctoTeam is trying to protect Levia from
"baseless accusations" from random innocent ppl that swear it's for the good of the community

Answer me this, and really ponder the questions im asking you in context of what's occurring here.

1) Do pigs shit in a barn, or in a field?
1a) I'd figure maybe they also shit where they eat too?

2)Do I have to be around to SMELL IT?
2a) And do i have to prove it you? Especially when that particular Pig already took a shit RIGHT -THERE-?
*points to your face*

We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing besides a heavy-handed ban, also check out this conversation in /whispers!

Is it totally that farfetched that communication could be taken off server oh em geeeeeee.


"Protect Levia" is terrible wording as well, they dont need protection the chat just needed moderation. When you blanket term 'PROTECT LEVIA' it sounds like youre in fucking CAHOOTS.

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:52 pm
Answer me this, and really ponder the questions im asking you in context of what's occurring here.

1) Do pigs shit in a barn, or in a field?
1a) I'd figure maybe they also shit where they eat too?

2)Do I have to be around to SMELL IT?
2a) And do i have to prove it you? Especially when that particular Pig already took a shit RIGHT -THERE- ?
*points to your face*


We've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing besides heavy-handed ban and a private conversation in /whispers. Oh it's totally farfetched that communication would be taken off server oh em geeeeeee

go touch some grass

i really wonder why Kestrel is still replying to u

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:27 pm I enjoy trolling the shit out of Levia

Thanks confirming this is just wasting staff resources

Darktifa wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:55 pm

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:52 pm
Answer me this, and really ponder the questions im asking you in context of what's occurring here.

1) Do pigs shit in a barn, or in a field?
1a) I'd figure maybe they also shit where they eat too?

2)Do I have to be around to SMELL IT?
2a) And do i have to prove it you? Especially when that particular Pig already took a shit RIGHT -THERE- ?
*points to your face*


We've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing besides heavy-handed ban and a private conversation in /whispers. Oh it's totally farfetched that communication would be taken off server oh em geeeeeee

go touch some grass

i really wonder why Kestrel is still replying to u

Why touch grass when I can touch a nerve?

Txtbook gaslighting 101 Darktifa, feel free to go ahead and call me a delirious schizoposter too. My statement is weighted in truth.

the absence of evidence isnt the evidence of absence.

Insane how every DarkQueefa interaction goes:
Suck up to devs -> his ESLness prevents him from coming up with any more rebuttals -> drop weird one-liner while simultaneously sucking up to the devs even more -> rinse repeat in next thread

The discord has improved drastically since he was booted

Igzee wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:58 pm

Sheluvsramar2 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2026 4:27 pm I enjoy trolling the shit out of Levia

Thanks confirming this is just wasting staff resources

it's actually in your best interests that these matters get sorted out.

I havent been on a pserver at launch and watch 2 gms get removed within 3 months for stupid, childish shit.

Igzee you only think its a waste of staff resources because youre in the FUCKING GUILD.

If anything the fair argument would be the staff wasted their own fucking resources by not vetting those two GMs properly, and or established more clear strict foundational rules for their staff and that's the only reason why we're HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

To get a firm line drawn in the sand.

The best interest of the server is you getting some support.

We all know that all those 'issues' mainly originate from a really small numbers of elements.
Few of them were in Levia and get kicked because they were becoming problematic, few more are people that wanted to join Levia but could not prove to not be mentally unstable. The rest is just you, tilting at windmills.

On the first few 4/5 weeks, the server was literally unplayable for almost every classes.
Most of the skills were not working, bugged quest, bugged weapon, invisible bosses...
Server would crash all day with huge rollback.

While the population were barely hitting 150 users, Pig was here to help and trying to find solution for everyone; and this is the missing context regarding your only piece of evidence against Pig and Levia. Camaraderie.
Well, Kestrel too was spying on us while we - the first wave of players - were clearing each dungeons to check that everything worked 'fine enough'

Of course fraternity built on an unstable low pop server do not have the same appearance when it hit 3k players, and the it could be easily be seen as lack of professionalism; but Pig was an excellent person that joined the server during the early days. He/she was great at his/her duty; available and competent.
I do not want to lower the dedication and the quality of work of the dev team, but I estimate that Pig is one of the reason OctoWoW is still here.
Every one that started playing on the first week-end of May loved Pig and will always do.

The community lost Pig,
Kestrel lost Pig,
We are slowly moving on, healing ourselves.
What other damage you are trying to inflict to us ?


Now, from my point of view, you can spam f**k Levia as much as you want because we do not care, it is just a shame to openly display such aggressive manners to new players.
<Levia> is here to stay; <BRUTAL> will implode at Phase 2.

Also, people should use Celsum which provide free summoning services across 10 destinations.
Cel is not related to Levia; Cel is a great human from Nordanaar.
Just use /who Cel to check Cel's availability and tip Cel generously <3

There are risks to onboarding anyone into a GM position. There is no way to vet people for this type of behavior ahead of time (even in a less restrictive working environment where anonymity is not necessary). I can garunte you this type of thing happened and continues to happen on other servers, but we want to be better.

I feel that for the most part everyone has said their peace and at least understand where each other are at. For now I will not lock this thread but if it continues to devolve it may be locked in the near future so please keep things civil.