PANDA-Moli

[Heibai]

A Tribute to the GMs and All Players of OctoWow

I am Moli from the Chinese guild Panda, and one of the founding members of Panda Guild.

First of all, regarding the incident involving the Eye of Sargeras, I would like to offer an apology to all players and GMs on behalf of our guild. We accept any penalty the GMs issue to player Meatgrinder. We also consent to the GM team auditing and investigating our guild internally until this whole matter is fully resolved. If this is an individual’s fault, we accept punishment for that individual; if it is a guild-wide issue, we accept collective punishment for the whole guild. We trust the fairness of OctoWow’s administration team.

Secondly, we sincerely apologize once more for the negative impact this incident has brought to the server. World of Warcraft is a timeless classic, a game built through collective effort, farming and progression for all players. We will ensure nothing like this happens again, and invite every player on the server to keep an eye on us and witness our conduct moving forward.

There has been a flood of critical messages targeting Panda Guild in server chat, as well as harassing whispers sent to our guild members. I do not agree with this kind of behavior. I welcome GM oversight during all our raid runs, and we are open to supervision from every player. However, please refrain from malicious rumors and slander against individual players and our guild. We are ready to face this incident head-on, yet we cannot stop ill-intentioned people from using this situation to stir up conflict.

Panda was originally founded because our group faced unfair treatment in the Nebula guild. Back when we were grinding fire resistance gear for MC voluntarily, their guild leader accused us of ninjaing materials. When we suggested prioritizing tank gear for early MC progression, we were accused of ninjaing equipment. How could a team push through MC’s early progression without sufficient fire resistance tank gear? In the end, he kicked all of us out of Nebula and spread lies claiming we had ninjaed loot.

Our values simply did not align, so we founded Panda Guild ourselves. Our original goal was to tackle raids positively alongside like-minded players—until this unfortunate incident occurred, for which we are truly sorry.
Panda Guild welcomes supervision from anyone on OctoWow, whether for 5-man dungeons or 40-man raids. We embrace this scrutiny, as it lets us prove our integrity and skill. We also open our doors to any player who wishes to join Panda; every new recruit will be treated as a core part of our family.

Certain guilds and individuals have slandered and defamed Panda. You may continue to do so if you wish, but I believe time will tell the full truth.

What goes around comes around. World of Warcraft is its own community ecosystem, and let us all work together to nurture a healthy server environment.

Panda (Chinese Guild) Progression Clearances:

Onyxia’s Lair, Molten Core, 10-man Karazhan – all fully cleared.
Like-minded players are warmly invited to apply and join us.

Thank you,

Moli of Panda

[Darktifa]

Did you question how he managed to create Sulfuras?

[Heibai]

Did you question how he managed to create Sulfuras?

He crafted it the night before last; I’d already gone to bed by then. It seemed the GM revoked it first thing the next morning. We heard loads of players reported him.
We counted the cooldown materials yesterday. Our guild naturally had four, plus one he bought himself, making five total. The other four didn’t add up, and we later found out he’d gotten them directly from a GM. I’m honestly speechless about this.

[Heibai]

Did you question how he managed to create Sulfuras?

Sulfuras requires eight core materials for the orange hammer, plus one for the purple pre-hammer, making nine stones in total.

[Phobia]

The situation is ass, and it's good that the Panda GM has openly invited people to investigate it and punish those involved. Transparency matters on both sides.

That said, Levia needs to rein in the bitching and whining. They seem to be massively overcompensating by harassing Panda members in public over this. This is the same guild that has had players abuse bugs, mobs, materials, and game mechanics for their own benefit. Maybe not to this scale or this blatantly, but they're in no position to act morally superior. They don't have the moral high ground here, and pretending otherwise just makes them look hypocritical.

[Phobia]

You are NOT Game Masters. You are NOT the Octo Police. You are NOT the judge, jury, and executioner.

Let the GM team do their damn job. Give them the time and space to investigate, work with Panda, establish the facts, and deal with the situation appropriately. Running around acting as self-appointed enforcers helps nobody and only makes the situation worse.

[Swift]

Nah dude, your whole guild knew what was going on with the HoR. Don't play stupid; this is a 20 year old game. We are playing on a private server of a privater server. We know this game in and out.

You guys supported or at the very least sat by while your member cheated in one of the worst ways possible; possibly ruining the integrity of the server for everyone.

You should have reported it right away. But instead it took a few days until our guild noticed this and did the math on how it would be impossible on materials to even achieve this.

To me, all your members gear is questionable at the moment.

And any one of your members who were in on "making" the HoR should be perma-banned.

I love the fact Octowow still has /spit, i'll be getting some use out of it.

[Phobia]

I love the fact Octowow still has /spit, i'll be getting some use out of it.

It's exactly the issue with Levia — there's no willingness to wait and see how far this goes or who else was involved.

This is what happens when you spend 12+ hours a day behind a computer chasing server-firsts on a low-population beta realm instead of engaging with people in real life. It breeds a massive ego and an inflated sense of self-importance that often comes from a lack of meaningful social interaction in their real lives.

[Heibai]

Nah dude, your whole guild knew what was going on with the HoR. Don't play stupid; this is a 20 year old game. We are playing on a private server of a privater server. We know this game in and out.

You guys supported or at the very least sat by while your member cheated in one of the worst ways possible; possibly ruining the integrity of the server for everyone.

You should have reported it right away. But instead it took a few days until our guild noticed this and did the math on how it would be impossible on materials to even achieve this.

To me, all your members gear is questionable at the moment.

And any one of your members who were in on "making" the HoR should be perma-banned.

I love the fact Octowow still has /spit, i'll be getting some use out of it.

Cut out this ridiculous, slanderous attitude right now! You latch onto trivial excuses and hound us relentlessly. Are you clearly driven by pure hatred for our guild? How can one person’s mistake in crafting an item drag every single guild member down with them? Your outrageously extreme stance is completely unjustified and unreasonable!

[Sludi]

" We accept any penalty the GMs issue to player Meatgrinder. "

but you also say several times that you do not think the individuals involved should be permanently banned.

people who used GM powers to create a legendary item. should be allowed to continue playing. because they really, really, really enjoy the game. lmao

you can't take that back XD you and your entire guild is a joke now, forever. congrats.