First Impression - ZG seems to be too easy

[Kpsarras]

Hello everyone,

We had our first run yesterday with a semi-guild/PUG raid of 20 people.

The bosses went down very quickly.

Maybe some adjustments are needed to make the raid a bit more challenging and interesting?

[Revisions]

ZG has always been easy, It intended as a catch up raid for people with bad gear.

[Shandoe]

its not rocket science. ZG was easy in vanilla and now ppl are 2 times stronger and zg is still the same, so no wonder when i join a pug we kill hakkar before he even uses one siphon. turtle wow got many values wrong but octo wow never shown interest to fix and balance stuff so this discussion is pointless

[Knifewrench]

We just need bonus loot for doing hardmode zg. (Aka killing hakkar with aspects still alive)

[Mrsneed]

It feels easy because it is easy lol.

[Heartbane]

ZG has always been easy, It intended as a catch up raid for people with bad gear.

He is right. Its a starter raid for catch-up, I mean the bosses have blues in their loot table. Especially now when most players are already T1 geared its a walk in the park - and that is completely fine. T2 raids and so on will be harder - the raids below do not need to be a souls-like experience. Its got nothing to do with balances or devs not caring as some people claim. It simply is a beginners raid.

[Knifewrench]

Sad no reward for the hardmode :[ should atleast drop one or two idols imo wich isnt rly needed to do then but a nice bonus, and hakkar as first boss is pritty hard

[Mrtinkles]

I think it's easy because the leaked client Octo is using has the version of ZG that existed before Turtle WoW increased it's difficulty.

But honestly.... I'm not complaining. It doesn't have to be difficult to be fun. My guild ran it, goofed around, crushed it and had a great time. I'll run ZG every reset if it stays like this.

[Dzielkus]

In general ZG is easiest raid, try to do it with blue-greenish gear, then you will get a glimpse of a challenge.

Also most of loot is quite garbage.

[Dannyp921]

I agree with the OP. Turtle's class changes made us more powerful, while the devs didn't make enough changes to the game to account for the power creep. A game that is way too easy, while fun initially, eventually becomes boring and forgettable. Therefore, most of the game should be adjusted to be slightly more difficult, without becoming sweaty.
As players grow in skill and knowledge, the game must adapt in an effort to try to recreate the original experience of challenge.

"If there's too much friction, nothing moves; if there's too little friction, nothing sticks. "