Blackwing Lair Arrives November 1st

[Cope12]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

2x for Y'shaarj when?

[Somjies]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

Dang, so shaman tanks are cooked next phase? I don't suppose there is any chance of us seeing a T2 tank set is there?

[Dzielkus]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

This is very bad news for PvP players.
Bis items for pvp will be T2 for very long period of time

So we will hoard useless honor in tons with no possibility to spend it.
Turtle released epic tier with BWL on ambershire and it was resonable since ilvl of this tiers is ~t2...
BGs will be empty.

[Nnz]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

Oh cmon, why can't you stick to the turtle's original road map and the epic set with BWL release? what's the point of playing PvP at all now? Let's be honest, there's totally nothing to do except raid logging for most of the players, many people casually play bg's to kill the time meanwhile - and you totally destroyed the fun out of it as there's totally no goal to go for now. You're really making people to JUST raid log once a week. Well, I don't want to be a dick as I love the community and people I play with but you're forcing people like me to at least try the forever bullshit as there's no alternative.

Also the ilvl of the epic pvp-set is t2ish (not suitable for most specces anyway), while AQ gear will be simply superior - anddddd it's realeasing in march - 5 months of raidlogging? Uhm, please reconsider that.

[Serdos777]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

This is the second most foolish decision you’ve made regarding PvP players. The first was slashing the experience gained from Battlegrounds, effectively killing the option to level a character through PvP. And now, having to wait another six months to obtain gear that will already be obsolete by the time Ahn'Qiraj is released—that’s just absurd. This gear was originally designed to be introduced alongside Tier 2 content. It seems like your actions are intentionally driving people to abandon our server, as there is quite simply nothing left here for a PvP player to do.

[Nnz]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

This is the second most foolish decision you’ve made regarding PvP players. The first was slashing the experience gained from Battlegrounds, effectively killing the option to level a character through PvP. And now, having to wait another six months to obtain gear that will already be obsolete by the time Ahn'Qiraj is released—that’s just absurd. This gear was originally designed to be introduced alongside Tier 2 content. It seems like your actions are intentionally driving people to abandon our server, as there is quite simply nothing left here for a PvP player to do.

RIP PvP scene

[Tyranny]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

This is the second most foolish decision you’ve made regarding PvP players. The first was slashing the experience gained from Battlegrounds, effectively killing the option to level a character through PvP. And now, having to wait another six months to obtain gear that will already be obsolete by the time Ahn'Qiraj is released—that’s just absurd. This gear was originally designed to be introduced alongside Tier 2 content. It seems like your actions are intentionally driving people to abandon our server, as there is quite simply nothing left here for a PvP player to do.

Yeah I doubt the server will be thriving after 5 months of BWL raid logging and no PVP gear out. Absurd decision and terrible roadmap atm.

ES + PVP gear should be released along with BWL and then AQ 3 months after BWL. Pretty simple and logical.

[Serdos777]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

This is the second most foolish decision you’ve made regarding PvP players. The first was slashing the experience gained from Battlegrounds, effectively killing the option to level a character through PvP. And now, having to wait another six months to obtain gear that will already be obsolete by the time Ahn'Qiraj is released—that’s just absurd. This gear was originally designed to be introduced alongside Tier 2 content. It seems like your actions are intentionally driving people to abandon our server, as there is quite simply nothing left here for a PvP player to do.

Yeah I doubt the server will be thriving after 5 months of BWL raid logging and no PVP gear out. Absurd decision and terrible roadmap atm.

ES + PVP gear should be released along with BWL and then AQ 3 months after BWL. Pretty simple and logical.

Everything you and the others above have said is spot on. People just don’t realize that only a small fraction of the player base actually uses the forums; once this update drops, a whole crowd of unhappy players is going to show up asking, "What the hell? Where’s the PvP gear?" Personally, if the PvP gear doesn't arrive on the 1st alongside BWL, I’m done with this server—there’ll be absolutely nothing left for me to do here. I have no intention of spending another five months grinding Battlegrounds with no objective, only to end up with an obsolete set of armor. No, thanks. We’ve already spent two months being fed empty promises while the server dealt with DDoS attacks, and now we aren't even getting the gear that was originally designed for the T2 content phase. Just think about it: you’re expected to spend a total of 10 months playing Battlegrounds in blue-quality PvP gear, farming millions of Honor, all to end up with a pile of useless junk that nobody wants. If it’s not there by November 1st, you can officially consider the PvP scene on this server dead.

[Eemo]

BWL will raise the max rank to 12 and open up the pvp weapons to be purchasable
The epic pvp gear will be out with AQ40

Our roadmap will be updated will all the pvp information soon.

@Rook, @Kestrel

Hello Octo Team

I think having the epic sets available by the time AQ40 releases is absurd.

It's T2 ilvl gear so it should be coming out with BWL release.

Dragging this out will hurt the pvp scene of the server. People will have no reason to play because there's no gain out of this.

Besides, with WoWF on the horizon, do you guys really think it's a good move to gatekeep content?

Hope you guys can reconsider this.

[Vorg]

What is the reasoning to gatekeep epic pvp set ? Its on par with BWL gear and was released on classic alongside with BWL patch, same as on turtle. Its fine if you want to gatekeep epic pvp weapons until AQ40 but epic pvp gear (and blue pvp weapons) should be available with BWL patch .