Windhorn caverns is awful

[Grgdggg]

this dungeon is too massive!!!
too many patrols!
the last boss can easily wipe your group because he has a nasty ability AND may push the tank into the water making him lose aggro.then you run for 15min back to the boss to try again AND hopefully kill him,because fail=15min running again D:
no shortcuts
no teleport
no movement speed bonus
mobs have no loot just silver
i think turtlewow had mushrooms in dungeons that increased movement speed?(or some other pserver)with so many big dungeons its frustrating how long they take,they are not fun and i personally do them just one time

[Mandys]

Nobody is forcing you to run it if you hate it that much and only do it once anyway. If a dungeon is a miserable experience and completely unfun for your playstyle, just skip it and save yourself the headache instead of torturing yourself.

Besides, this section of the forum is meant for constructive feedback and actual suggestions, not a place to vent and whine about standard mechanics, lack of shortcuts, or long corpse runs. If you actually want to see changes, frame it as a proper proposal rather than a crying post.

[Rathotdog]

No, it's fine as it is.

Dying should be punished by the long run back. Play better and avoid wipes. It is a difficult dungeon, and you should act accordingly.

And afterall, it's just a low lvl leveling dungeon, you can skip it entirely if you don't like it.

It fits the game well, and there's no need to change it.

[Grgdggg]

No, it's fine as it is.

Dying should be punished by the long run back. Play better and avoid wipes. It is a difficult dungeon, and you should act accordingly.

And afterall, it's just a low lvl leveling dungeon, you can skip it entirely if you don't like it.

It fits the game well, and there's no need to change it.

no,it's not fine as it is.
me and my group did this dungeon for the first time,so it's fine that we wiped.
How is it fine to get wiped at the last boss and be forced torun to him for 15 min?
how is it fine that mobs don't drop anything?
how is it fine that a dungeon is so bad that you woudn't want to run it a second time?
how should new players know that X new dungeon sux they should avoid it and go to regular dungeons?
why would you need to do any research on a simple low level dungeon so that you woudn't wipe and some min maxers woudn't reply -"get gud"

[Rathotdog]

How is it fine to get wiped at the last boss and be forced to run to him for 15 min?

So you'll learn to be more careful the second time. Archadeus in Uldaman has a very similar approach. Very hard boss you don't wanna wipe at.

how is it fine that mobs don't drop anything?

I haven't noticed that, this might be an actual issue. Doesn't make the dungeon itself bad in itself, this one is easily fixable.

how is it fine that a dungeon is so bad that you woudn't want to run it a second time?
how should new players know that X new dungeon sux they should avoid it and go to regular dungeons?
why would you need to do any research on a simple low level dungeon so that you woudn't wipe and some min maxers woudn't reply -"get gud"

It doesn't suck, it's just harder. And they wouldn't know it if they run the first time, but they'll sure know for the second time, and they will tell their party to be careful and approach the dungeon cautiously as to not wipe. The patrols are heavy in this dungeon, a skilled group will know to wait and pull carefully. A even better group will know to CC.

Last boss has 2 simple mechanics, and either you learn them quickly by wiping, or you have a player who already ran the dungeon before and they'll tell you, because they don't want to wipe and run 15 minutes back. And if you fail these 2 mechanics for the second time, than yes, you have to "get good".