PvP Changes V1

[Computer]

For all that are un-happy with this change , I would like to refer to a post I made a while ago ( with some extra stuff that can be trimmed away to save on dev time )


Link: https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1421#p1421


I don't believe players should be punished for pvp , but incentivized. I believe the goal is to incentivize players to kill gankers rather than punish the ganker.


Tl;dr: Offer some reward for turning in the "head" of someone who's flagged for killing Grey level players. Idk what the reward could be so the devs would have to figure that part out. But all I can is can you imagine the kind of heat you'd bring on yourself if people knew they could turn in your head for a chance at a mount ?

[Cyanide]

Ya this will definitely cause problems for city raids and gurabashi arena and stuff. And 10 mins is crazy lol.

maybe instead put a buff on a lowbie that dies to a high level player that lasts a few minutes. this grace period buff makes them unflagged (only vs high level players) unless they attack first. But maybe this would be too easy to abuse.

Could maybe add this same grace period in your own capital cities as well.

Honestly, this seems like a much healthier idea. Protecting the one from being ganked repeatedly.
There's nothing wrong with being ganked a single time by someone who's higher level than you.
It only helps you build up you Kill On Sight list for when you are max level, and makes revenge that much sweeter.

But limited protection from possible abuse that takes away other peoples gametime is something I would support. If implemented correctly. And all possibilities for misuse are taken into account, which will be difficult, since people will find a way.

[Moksey]

Yeah horrible idea, still dont understand why not just drop the forced warmode and make it a normal pvp server where you can be safe in capitals and low level zones.
Would not need any of these bandaid fixes

I like the "nowhere is safe" feeling warmode brings. I think it will make the PvP community tighter on this server as more cooperation is needed.

Just too open to griefing imo. there was already a level 12 hunter camping human spawn at one point.
thats why the original "fix"

[Tusamf]

Yeah horrible idea, still dont understand why not just drop the forced warmode and make it a normal pvp server where you can be safe in capitals and low level zones.
Would not need any of these bandaid fixes

I like the "nowhere is safe" feeling warmode brings. I think it will make the PvP community tighter on this server as more cooperation is needed.

Just too open to griefing imo. there was already a level 12 hunter camping human spawn at one point.
thats why the original "fix"

My point exactly, alliance would need to muster a force to deal with this threat!

[Pawlicaforum]

We will be disabling this debuff on the next restart due to the potential issues around city raids triggering this debuff.

We have already made changes to increase honor from open world kills, as well as reward EXP for HK's.

It is our intention to bring this debuff back in a modified form at some point. We recognize that any change to the PvP realm will result in backlash, and we still plan on making changes. We want to ensure that the community is heard, but also that the loud voices are not the only ones heard. I will be making a sticky thread in the suggestions chat with details on a proposed second iteration of this debuff to gather more community feedback.

Thanks for the sanity...but

Will the exact info be avaialbe officialy, on how much the honor and exp was icnreased ? What are the values ? Will that be avaialbe to read to anyone who is new to the project ? Will those amount be viable ?

[Pawlicaforum]

For all that are un-happy with this change , I would like to refer to a post I made a while ago ( with some extra stuff that can be trimmed away to save on dev time )


Link: https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1421#p1421


I don't believe players should be punished for pvp , but incentivized. I believe the goal is to incentivize players to kill gankers rather than punish the ganker.


Tl;dr: Offer some reward for turning in the "head" of someone who's flagged for killing Grey level players. Idk what the reward could be so the devs would have to figure that part out. But all I can is can you imagine the kind of heat you'd bring on yourself if people knew they could turn in your head for a chance at a mount ?

As i suggested in my core thread - https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php? ... core#p2208 - and i partially agree with what you are saying

The whole point of a reworked pvp system that the open world is big part of - is - that killing a player on your level is so rewarding and so important.. that you dont even consider killing lower lvls, simply because there is literaly 0 reward for it

Curently and its been like that for years on default wow, whether you kill a player on youir lvl or a lower lvl, the outcome is the same - 0 reward

[Yarmum]

I like the "nowhere is safe" feeling warmode brings. I think it will make the PvP community tighter on this server as more cooperation is needed.

Just too open to griefing imo. there was already a level 12 hunter camping human spawn at one point.
thats why the original "fix"

My point exactly, alliance would need to muster a force to deal with this threat!

"Alliance would"

You are a total coward picking on the 70%/30% side.. and on top of that camping people who can't fight back.. loser

[Slashignore1]

i dont care.. let them kill grey if the want

[Yarmum]

Right away your majesty

[Nintendods]

We will be disabling this debuff on the next restart due to the potential issues around city raids triggering this debuff.

We have already made changes to increase honor from open world kills, as well as reward EXP for HK's.

It is our intention to bring this debuff back in a modified form at some point. We recognize that any change to the PvP realm will result in backlash, and we still plan on making changes. We want to ensure that the community is heard, but also that the loud voices are not the only ones heard. I will be making a sticky thread in the suggestions chat with details on a proposed second iteration of this debuff to gather more community feedback.

Like why? Who is it for? What is the endgoal?
Mister PVP guy had one job and it was to come up with decent tuning for abilities without compromising pve or even better if possible decouple pvp numbers from pve.
This attempt at reinventing the wheel serves who? The fundamental thing was working 100% perfect all that left is numbers game due to rebalance.