Opt in increased leveling speed

[Hepallzx12]

In light of all the discussion around boosting and mob tagging, it’s clear that a lot of people in the community want a faster way to level alts.

My proposal is that once you get a character to level 60, when making a new character on the same account you can enable 2x leveling which would stack with rested xp. This would give you the equivalent of what leveling on the Tel’abim server was and seems like a good compromise between making sure there are players in the open world and allowing people to level alts faster.

What are peoples thoughts on this?

[Duraluminium]

I don't really understand why I have to suffer even with my 'first' character.
I don't want to get alts, I want to play with my main, but having to do all the leveling for the 50th time makes me angry. I just want to skip it asap to finally start playing the game.

[Hepallzx12]

I personally have no problem with enabling 2x leveling speed for your first character. I’m all for things that allow the game to respect your time. However given all the comments from the devs about “skipping content”, “boosting being too fast”, etc. I’m not sure they would go for it.

[Octosaur]

I don't really understand why I have to suffer even with my 'first' character.
I don't want to get alts, I want to play with my main, but having to do all the leveling for the 50th time makes me angry. I just want to skip it asap to finally start playing the game.

If you don't think levelling is playing the game then why not cut to the heart of the issue and ask for level boosts? It's essentially the same thing. "I am impatient so I want special treatment that trivialises a cornerstone of the gameplay and diminishes the experience for other people because they are being pressured to fast-track it."

Should we also have easier raids for people who don't feel like paying too much attention?
Or PvP boosts for people who don't know how to itemise?

Heck, why are you even going for Classic+? Just play retail...

[Duraluminium]

I don't really understand why I have to suffer even with my 'first' character.
I don't want to get alts, I want to play with my main, but having to do all the leveling for the 50th time makes me angry. I just want to skip it asap to finally start playing the game.

If you don't think levelling is playing the game then why not cut to the heart of the issue and ask for level boosts? It's essentially the same thing. "I am impatient so I want special treatment that trivialises a cornerstone of the gameplay and diminishes the experience for other people because they are being pressured to fast-track it."

Should we also have easier raids for people who don't feel like paying too much attention?
Or PvP boosts for people who don't know how to itemise?

Heck, why are you even going for Classic+? Just play retail...

If it's a ragebait attempt, then you failed.

All the real content (both PVE and PVP) is at lvl 60. It's just a fact, you cannot deny it.
This leveling stuff is for those ppl who enjoy it, and I'm not asking to take it away from them. They got all the stuff they need to play the game slow with additional reward for doing it even slower.
BUT devs should finally understand that this leveling content is not the main part of the game for the most players.
Leveling is not even on pair with lvl 60 content. It's not hard, it's actually very easy, cause literally everyone can and will do it to lvl 60 on PVE and PVP servers.
The only 'difficulty' of leveling is heavy time investment. The same thing that made the old honor system bad, by the way.
Shorten it twice by making x2 xp rate the way Turtle did it for their PVP server, and it will be almost fine.

[Nseternal]

I don't really understand why I have to suffer even with my 'first' character.
I don't want to get alts, I want to play with my main, but having to do all the leveling for the 50th time makes me angry. I just want to skip it asap to finally start playing the game.

If you don't think levelling is playing the game then why not cut to the heart of the issue and ask for level boosts? It's essentially the same thing. "I am impatient so I want special treatment that trivialises a cornerstone of the gameplay and diminishes the experience for other people because they are being pressured to fast-track it."

Should we also have easier raids for people who don't feel like paying too much attention?
Or PvP boosts for people who don't know how to itemise?

Heck, why are you even going for Classic+? Just play retail...

If it's a ragebait attempt, then you failed.

All the real content (both PVE and PVP) is at lvl 60. It's just a fact, you cannot deny it.
This leveling stuff is for those ppl who enjoy it, and I'm not asking to take it away from them. They got all the stuff they need to play the game slow with additional reward for doing it even slower.
BUT devs should finally understand that this leveling content is not the main part of the game for the most players.
Leveling is not even on pair with lvl 60 content. It's not hard, it's actually very easy, cause literally everyone can and will do it to lvl 60 on PVE and PVP servers.
The only 'difficulty' of leveling is heavy time investment. The same thing that made the old honor system bad, by the way.
Shorten it twice by making x2 xp rate the way Turtle did it for their PVP server, and it will be almost fine.

It's the dichotomy of wow players:

pve likes to take it slow and savor every quest, mob, dungeon, etc

pvp likes to get to max level asap so they can have the full pvp toolkit and begin grinding ranks

both have their legitimate playstyle, but the 1x rate and having to slog it to 60 discourages pvp players. we don't want to have to pve to pvp. but the happy medium is letting pve have their "slow and steady" game mode with increased rewards while giving pvp players the option to opt-in with warmode for 2x rate BUT forever flagged in every zone, city etc.

[Duraluminium]

It's the dichotomy of wow players:

pve likes to take it slow and savor every quest, mob, dungeon, etc

pvp likes to get to max level asap so they can have the full pvp toolkit and begin grinding ranks

both have their legitimate playstyle, but the 1x rate and having to slog it to 60 discourages pvp players. we don't want to have to pve to pvp. but the happy medium is letting pve have their "slow and steady" game mode with increased rewards while giving pvp players the option to opt-in with warmode for 2x rate BUT forever flagged in every zone, city etc.

Exactly.
But for now they give only slight xp bonus to PVP players instead of that x2.
Also there's some xp on bgs afaik, but they rarely pop on the lower brackets. I was queued yesterday for an hour on my 26 lvl and it never popped.
And even when bg will pop, ppl there gonna be way better geared than average player that is trying to grind xp to 60 asap, just cause they got more time, and they got party to play with.

[Crimsonclaws]

I don't really understand why I have to suffer even with my 'first' character.
I don't want to get alts, I want to play with my main, but having to do all the leveling for the 50th time makes me angry. I just want to skip it asap to finally start playing the game.

If you don't think levelling is playing the game then why not cut to the heart of the issue and ask for level boosts? It's essentially the same thing. "I am impatient so I want special treatment that trivialises a cornerstone of the gameplay and diminishes the experience for other people because they are being pressured to fast-track it."

Should we also have easier raids for people who don't feel like paying too much attention?
Or PvP boosts for people who don't know how to itemise?

Heck, why are you even going for Classic+? Just play retail...

If it's a ragebait attempt, then you failed.

All the real content (both PVE and PVP) is at lvl 60. It's just a fact, you cannot deny it.
This leveling stuff is for those ppl who enjoy it, and I'm not asking to take it away from them. They got all the stuff they need to play the game slow with additional reward for doing it even slower.
BUT devs should finally understand that this leveling content is not the main part of the game for the most players.
Leveling is not even on pair with lvl 60 content. It's not hard, it's actually very easy, cause literally everyone can and will do it to lvl 60 on PVE and PVP servers.
The only 'difficulty' of leveling is heavy time investment. The same thing that made the old honor system bad, by the way.
Shorten it twice by making x2 xp rate the way Turtle did it for their PVP server, and it will be almost fine.

THIS IS without question the STUPIDEST shit i have ever read in my entire life...you want to know what i do when i reach lvl 60...i delete and do it again because everything beyond that is absolute dogshit!!

That is why we need a prestige system, the idea of prestige experience is a good one, but not sufficient! I want ACTUAL progress. Let me reset the my character in exchange for prestige tokens that i can trade in for idk one piece of armor thats on par with final tier raid gear...a raider can get the ultimate gear in one go by repeatedly raiding, while prestige characters can get that same gear by Prestiging multiple times over and over earning one piece of that set with each successful prestige! This incentivizes BOTH raiding and leveling, a win-win for everyone involved!

[Duraluminium]

All the real content (both PVE and PVP) is at lvl 60. It's just a fact, you cannot deny it.
This leveling stuff is for those ppl who enjoy it, and I'm not asking to take it away from them. They got all the stuff they need to play the game slow with additional reward for doing it even slower.
BUT devs should finally understand that this leveling content is not the main part of the game for the most players.
Leveling is not even on pair with lvl 60 content. It's not hard, it's actually very easy, cause literally everyone can and will do it to lvl 60 on PVE and PVP servers.
The only 'difficulty' of leveling is heavy time investment. The same thing that made the old honor system bad, by the way.
Shorten it twice by making x2 xp rate the way Turtle did it for their PVP server, and it will be almost fine.

THIS IS without question the STUPIDEST shit i have ever read in my entire life...you want to know what i do when i reach lvl 60...i delete and do it again because everything beyond that is absolute dogshit!!

That is why we need a prestige system, the idea of prestige experience is a good one, but not sufficient! I want ACTUAL progress. Let me reset the my character in exchange for prestige tokens that i can trade in for idk one piece of armor thats on par with final tier raid gear...a raider can get the ultimate gear in one go by repeatedly raiding, while prestige characters can get that same gear by Prestiging multiple times over and over earning one piece of that set with each successful prestige! This incentivizes BOTH raiding and leveling, a win-win for everyone involved!

About 'STUPIDIEST' part: I don't care what you personally do with your characters. I care what majority of players does. And they do not play for leveling. They play for lvl 60 content, both PVP and PVE.
Go play HC or PVE server, have your fun by deleting your characters there, and stop telling other people how they should play the game.

'Prestige' part - whatever, i don't care of levelers so got no opinion on them

[Yotca]

If you don't think levelling is playing the game then why not cut to the heart of the issue and ask for level boosts? It's essentially the same thing. "I am impatient so I want special treatment that trivialises a cornerstone of the gameplay and diminishes the experience for other people because they are being pressured to fast-track it."

Should we also have easier raids for people who don't feel like paying too much attention?
Or PvP boosts for people who don't know how to itemise?

Heck, why are you even going for Classic+? Just play retail...

If it's a ragebait attempt, then you failed.

All the real content (both PVE and PVP) is at lvl 60. It's just a fact, you cannot deny it.
This leveling stuff is for those ppl who enjoy it, and I'm not asking to take it away from them. They got all the stuff they need to play the game slow with additional reward for doing it even slower.
BUT devs should finally understand that this leveling content is not the main part of the game for the most players.
Leveling is not even on pair with lvl 60 content. It's not hard, it's actually very easy, cause literally everyone can and will do it to lvl 60 on PVE and PVP servers.
The only 'difficulty' of leveling is heavy time investment. The same thing that made the old honor system bad, by the way.
Shorten it twice by making x2 xp rate the way Turtle did it for their PVP server, and it will be almost fine.

THIS IS without question the STUPIDEST shit i have ever read in my entire life...you want to know what i do when i reach lvl 60...i delete and do it again because everything beyond that is absolute dogshit!!

That is why we need a prestige system, the idea of prestige experience is a good one, but not sufficient! I want ACTUAL progress. Let me reset the my character in exchange for prestige tokens that i can trade in for idk one piece of armor thats on par with final tier raid gear...a raider can get the ultimate gear in one go by repeatedly raiding, while prestige characters can get that same gear by Prestiging multiple times over and over earning one piece of that set with each successful prestige! This incentivizes BOTH raiding and leveling, a win-win for everyone involved!

I really hope this is satire... either way the opt in suggestion is only for the PvP realm and it fixes one of the main issues and is why Tel'Abim had x2 rates — PvP is played at lvl 60 and with gear ; certain classes are much stronger than the rest at lower levels and lesser gear... like rogues who get most of their kit and have instant attacks — which is why normalisation was added in by the way.

All in all opt-in 2x xp isn't crazy and makes sense for the PvP server