World PvP suggestions: remove DKs and reputation loss

[Bona]

Greetings!

There was a great world PvP event last Sunday. Alliance forces attacked the Horde in the Barrens.
It was a cool WPvP event. To increase the fun and engagement of the players involved, here are some suggestions.

1. Remove dishonorable kills (DKs)

During mass WPvP, civilian NPCs always die. DKs decrease your PvP rank progression, and many players may be frightened away from WPvP because of that.

DKs are a tool to prevent griefing, like killing quest givers, but there's another way to solve this problem — reporting the griefer directly. So there's no sense in punishing WPvP players with DKs.


2. Remove the reputation loss from killing goblins at zeppelin towers

Some locations in the game are great for starting WPvP. Having an enemy raid or group in such places provokes players of the opposite faction to come and fight. One of these locations is the zeppelin towers in Durotar.

However, the goblins there are aggressive to Alliance players, and you have to kill them. Killing goblins decreases your reputation in neutral towns such as Ratchet and Gadgetzan.

This is, again, a punishment for WPvP players simply for taking part in WPvP activities.

We believe that removing dishonorable kills and this reputation loss will help the WPvP side of the game without making other parts worse.

Bona of <Watch Yourself>

[Zorin]

Completely agree! Both these things ruin world PvP on high levels. When you enter enemy city you will kill a lot of civilians any way by AOE and get a lot of dishonored kills in resilt. Remove pls, thanks!

[Duraluminium]

Great suggestions, I fully back them!

I'd also like to add that I've noticed my rank decreasing with time. Not just rank progress, but rank itself (from 1 to unranked it was in my case).
This rank decrease isn't a good thing cause it enforces the grind on higher ranks instead of smooth progress. We are not students, many of us just cannot grind bgs 24/7 like we did in 2006.
What I'd like to ask for:
1. Remove rank reduction on Wednesdays. Rank should not fall.
2. Adjust rank progress reduction in a way that it's higher on low ranks and is lower on higher ranks, so we don't lose like 25% of rank progress on R10+. Losing 25% of rank progress on R1-R5 is fine, losing 10% of rank progress on R10+ is fine. Losing 25% of rank progress on R13 is devastating.

[Redhotcc]

100%

[Bootybaker]

Yeah that would be nice!

[Pahi]

Great suggestions, I fully back them!

I'd also like to add that I've noticed my rank decreasing with time. Not just rank progress, but rank itself (from 1 to unranked it was in my case).
This rank decrease isn't a good thing cause it enforces the grind on higher ranks instead of smooth progress. We are not students, many of us just cannot grind bgs 24/7 like we did in 2006.
What I'd like to ask for:
1. Remove rank reduction on Wednesdays. Rank should not fall.
2. Adjust rank progress reduction in a way that it's higher on low ranks and is lower on higher ranks, so we don't lose like 25% of rank progress on R10+. Losing 25% of rank progress on R1-R5 is fine, losing 10% of rank progress on R10+ is fine. Losing 25% of rank progress on R13 is devastating.

Yeah I remember how it was on turtle I was r12 that time hope they fix this

[Pahi]

Greetings!

There was a great world PvP event last Sunday. Alliance forces attacked the Horde in the Barrens.
It was a cool WPvP event. To increase the fun and engagement of the players involved, here are some suggestions.

1. Remove dishonorable kills (DKs)

During mass WPvP, civilian NPCs always die. DKs decrease your PvP rank progression, and many players may be frightened away from WPvP because of that.

DKs are a tool to prevent griefing, like killing quest givers, but there's another way to solve this problem — reporting the griefer directly. So there's no sense in punishing WPvP players with DKs.


2. Remove the reputation loss from killing goblins at zeppelin towers

Some locations in the game are great for starting WPvP. Having an enemy raid or group in such places provokes players of the opposite faction to come and fight. One of these locations is the zeppelin towers in Durotar.

However, the goblins there are aggressive to Alliance players, and you have to kill them. Killing goblins decreases your reputation in neutral towns such as Ratchet and Gadgetzan.

This is, again, a punishment for WPvP players simply for taking part in WPvP activities.

We believe that removing dishonorable kills and this reputation loss will help the WPvP side of the game without making other parts worse.

Bona of <Watch Yourself>

I’ve always played PvP in Vanilla. I love it. I reached Rank 14 once (only once—I never want to do that grind again ), and I’ve reached Rank 13 or 12 many times.

I’ve never gotten a single DK, even when I was Rank 14 with over 50k HKs. I always tried to avoid players who had even one DK, and I never grouped with them for world PvP.

Now it looks like I could get a DK just by using a Sapper Charge, and that’s really bad. It could discourage people from doing world PvP because they don’t want to get DKs and lose rank because of it.

[Zvyrhol]

I don't know how it is on Octo now but on Turtle DKs were always disabled. If DKs are enabled somehow I think it's likely a bug and should be reported.

[Korzy]

agree 100%

[Yotca]

Turtle had fixed the downranking iirc. I'm guessing your rank went down from dk's but as said that shouldn't have to be a thing.