Pig Lyric and the Levia files

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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#51 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:13 am

Magerbummer wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:48 pm Since Levia wants to keep on making a face like they are inviting some sort of investigation, I’ll lay it out for you. Cause I can’t believe it’s gotten to this point.

It’s well known within their guild that they are buddies with GMs Pig and possibly Valette. Even boasting that they have Valette on call for any issues, seems to be a possible private discord handle or server.

Levia claimed THEY were the ones who revealed the Meatgrinder / Bushdoctor situation, but there was every experienced player in the server who immediately questioned how the hell someone got the hammer so fast and made tickets or flagged this to others. Not to mention how the server's first MC for some reason had a Pig joke about drops for certain rare items and insinuating a player's drop they really wanted and got might’ve been nudged a little bit. Don’t forget to cast slowfall on the whole raid with your GM powers, oh wait, someone said it’s a priest spell so it’s not GM help? :O

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They bug abuse, and only report the bug after they’ve abused it for their own gain, to a ridiculous degree:

Igzee did it with Dreamscales, Onlyfeetgawd did it with the 3 minute rare in Moonwhisper just yesterday. It’s funny how me and a guildie killed it 10 times, and a Levia member with their alt, not in the Levia guild, but some sort of misspelled “Lavea” or something rocks up and cries it’s bug abuse and Pig told him so. We didn’t acknowledge his presence but understood it’s not intended and fucked off. Yet hours later you have Onlyfeetgawd camping it for an hour MINIMUM and having a mailbox next to the rare to mail off the BOE items. Valette was the one to respond to my ticket, but I for some reason doubt Onlyfeetgawd was punished for such blatant and extreme bug abuse, wasn’t at least communicated to me as such.
Other members most likely bug abused the PvP items for a shitload of Nexus Crystals, and I suspect that’s one of the reasons why Nexus Crystal price has tanked so hard. It’s not normal for it to be 6g on the AH at this stage.

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Do you wanna talk about toxicity? Let’s do that as well. While I called them and their guild retarded, they have done the following:

Crypty and Filo both were on my ignore list and both whispered to me on their alts, asking why I ignored them (Women must love them if they can't take an ignore). Crypty going so far as to start bugging other people in SW to ask or contact me on why he was on my ignore list.

Crypty intentionally griefed me and the people I was offering my enchanting services to by blocking me with their bear model. I can only guess it had to do with the fact that after I put most of them on Ignore, they got screwed over cause there were 2 people with the +55 healing enchant, and the other guy was charging 50g + mats, which were around +70g at the time, for the enchant.

While Crypty, Lopp and Diely were online and sitting in Stormwind, magically a character called “Chrometard” appeared next to me, and just before that, I had reported Crypty blocking me again and Valette “had to go” to the other realm to do something else and there was no other GM left online, JUST as that character appeared. Fortunately screenshots are one hell of a thing and I did just that. Obsessed about me for months. To the point where I’m the #1 player they talk about in their guild chat btw.

Did Crypty just get warned for griefing Chromie with his bear form? Well Lopp finds it funny, but didn’t really tell him, as a Guild Master, to not repeat that behaviour in Guild Chat. Before he comes in with “Well he was warned by a GM”, you laughing at it isn’t really showing that you disapprove of this behaviour lol.

Obsessed with me so bad, their member Lyric had a parasocial relationship with Pig and used that relationship to ban me. I’m not calling this relationship romantical or whatever, but that it’s just… weird. Why would it be weird you might ask? Well, because, turns out Lyric was boasting about it to Levia, that she was talking to Pig. Turns out Lyric has had some GM experience or knows how they work, collected screenshots of me calling people retarded and then got me banned for 10 days, but wait, That’s not all! Not only did they get me banned, Pig asked Lyric if he should ban me for 10 days, then saying he did it and adding “you can go tell Levia xD” This is peak neckbeard reddit moderator powertripping.

Kestrel overturned the ban, as it was too heavy handed, but we both also agreed, there was a punishment for me necessary.

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PvP Collusion & Hypocrisy shit:

As soon as the infamous Meatgrinder / Bushdoctor situation happened, Levia started /spiting and insulting guild members of Panda before any formal investigations were happening. You had Igzee go on some psychotic rants and comments about the punishment and harassing other players (BTW thanks for taking that psycho off our hands, the dude had quite the short fuse and had the balls to say the N word in Voice chat, with the context of “The Gnome jokes are just a replacement for *insert N word*, full hard french hard R and everything). That thread was deleted, but you had so many Levia members overcompensating their anger, cause they had a GM in their own pocket, and I'm guessing some started sweating.

They reported and Harassed Deja Vu members for PvP Collusion, but funnily enough, they’ve done the same shit:

Healing and assisting their Horde Rogue Filo when he was in Stormwind killing people.

PvP collusion in BGs, that manifested itself in the form of sudden uncooperation of Alliance Levia members, when Horde Levia members were present on the opposite team. Usually running the other way or not participating in the fight, and not indicating in ANY instances that they were going to not fight/run away. Thank you for the experience of this Warkeeper, Sin, Zugtard, Doordash & Mad.

Mad also had a habit of running into fights he could not win, doing it 10 times in a row, and Pig explaining this as “Seems to be overconfident in their abilities, so no foul play”. It’d be great if I could try to play PvP to improve at it when it’s a bit more fair than this BS.

Darkshado joining raids where he for whatever reason had the habit of dropping group to kill PvP flagged opposite faction raiders and then getting invited back. “Oh, but if this is true, why would the raidlead invite them back?”. Because the raidleader is busy with 20 whispers from people, half of whom show up with no attunement to the raid and needs to make sure that these people 1) Have the attunement 2) are geared enough to contribute to the raid and 3) fit into the raid composition with the class and spec they have.

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Then there’s their stellar reputation in group content:

Very well known for Ninjaing items in dungeons. As recently as yesterday, a Warlock of theirs rolling need on Devout Robes, a Priest T0 item, ignoring our shocked comments in raid chat, porting out, and then claiming in whispers that they didn’t know it was a Priest T0 piece. Multiple, and I mean MULTIPLE instance where they are toxic or unbelievably stupid in dungeons. When things go wrong it’s always someone ELSE’s fault. Tank couldn’t hold agro, so the healer gets heal agro? Must be the healers fault.

Do you wanna join their Kara10 pugs? Well, there’s a gear check involved, for a raid that gets you gear, to be able to go to a main raid btw. Yes, you don’t want people in greens who can barely survive BRD, but active gear checks with the comment “Gear must be enchanted” is so unbelievably elitist. No, I do not care that “you have standards” or that “you get undergeared noobs”, it’s really not about that at all.

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I had always thought they only cared about people who had “Levia” next to their name, but alas, not even guild members are free from the wrath of people overcompensating:

Suddenly, they removed EU people from their only raid time because they couldn’t contribute to the guild's efforts during guild activities happening during US time. Let’s ignore the fact that this didn’t come with any alternatives set out for EU people who dedicated their time to raid in the middle of the night. These aren’t teenagers with time to spare, these are people, ADULTS, with work, friends and families. They didn’t allow people to bring alts to their raids anymore. Gearing is exclusively for mains. UNLESS, it’s an officer alt, then we’ll SR a Legendary for them.

Clown's snide little comment in discord about it not being the first time that something like this happens isn’t the epic reddit moderator comeback comment he thinks it is. It’s another pathetic attempt at dodging the real criticism and giving an answer, cause the answer is exactly what we know it to be, they’re privileged people who want to have it their way. Which isn’t an issue if you just say that’s the case lol, but denying it gives an illusion to the people in and outside the guild that these are good people.

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Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish… Oh sorry. Give a guild free buffs and help them out with GM tools during a raid, they’ll keep asking for help, give a guild a chance to do the raid without GM help, you might prevent progression manipulation, or at least the damn idea of it:

They have world bosses on respawn, or at least beg on their knees for people to leave their groups in dungeons and log on, because another guild has been spotted near one of them. So the think thank of Levia concocted an idea, to possibly start charging people for the privilege of killing a world boss, such epic gamers man #ShakaBrah.

Now, Turtle Wow did implement a system where these worldbosses are summonable from certain items that drop from a raid, combined with other items from raids or open world mobs, so people can have a fair chance of doing these world bosses. And if a guild was organized and big enough to camp them on spawn, they could do that, but everyone doing world bosses was eligible for loot once a week. And if the mindset that Levia members seemed to have in the community discord chat a couple of days ago of “we’re so good/skilled that we have them on respawn lol so what get gud” really shows the true attitude of a guild like that. It’s less about you camping the world bosses, it’s more about you even THINKING of an absolutely horrid idea of “Pay to kill” services. You know what that leads into? GDKP and P2W services inside the game, that directly contribute to the advancement of RMT and the devs constant effort to catch them. If you want to do something like that, genuinely, go back to r*tail.

Let’s quickly call out how the Pig had to GM kill command MC bosses that crashed the server. But suddenly someone gets the loot they wanted because the GM rolled out the loot manually due to having to kill the boss? For other guilds I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but for this guild, given all these allegations (That aren’t even all encompassing, I’m not even giving them the benefit of smelling Tauren farts)

Another concoction of the brainiacs in their think tank was buying up all the mats to stunt the progression for everyone else on the server, so that Levia can be the #1 GM assisted guild in BWL I guess? Lopp clarified this allegation with them having Kazzak on spawn and setting the price for them on the AH. Boasting that that’s how they got enough gold for their guild bank. Let’s ignore the fact that this isn’t a Kazzad exclusive drop. It’s a 100% drop rate for 1 eye, until Kazzak spawns again. Being social and making friends allows you to ask for people to help you kill a bunch of the elites that also drop the eye lol. It’s a rough journey due to the low drop rate, but it’s hell of a lot smarter to do instead of buying manipulated price Eyes on the AH.

But Ladies and Gentlemen, that’s not all though. Elwynnforest confirmed to me personally, that they’re keeping their rarest profession recipes in guild. For what? Yes, that’s correct, to stunt the progression of other people on the server. Cause their race against Panda and Nebula is priority #1. Other than trying to force that shitty Orange Hammer copypasta that didn’t catch on lol. Granted, I was so generously extended the privilege of Elwynn crafting these gloves for me, but I ignored that part of his message lol. If you don’t want to give it to the rest of the people, I’m not interested.

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To cap off this crap salad:

Despite the length of this, this isn’t all encompassing. This is not everything they’ve done and it’s not going to be, as they continue to play this game with GM relationships that are too close. I don’t care about Levia members coming in here with “But where’s the proof” or “we welcome any investigation” (the same type of post they made fun of Panda for btw), as this is the best friend of a cop saying “I intend to fully cooperate” and magically have nothing come of it, despite the clear observation and confirmation from Levia’s own people about the situation. They’ll tell you this is one or two members, and that they don’t agree with this behaviour, but it’s ingrained in their guild, their attitude, their values and their leaders.

You could see in their messages yesterday on discord, they had nothing to say or discuss that was actually productive or true. Some sad quips of "you're weird" and clown emoji reactions to messages, one of them being actual proof of the Chrometard character btw. No, inviting us to your guild discord server to "talk things out" is not a solution at all. It was a solution maybe 2 or 3 months ago. But you've blown any sort of goodwill with most people on this server.

This is clearly not AI and it's not that hard to read... I would feel alot better of Kestrel made sure to clear up all these claims as false. This sounds very specific. If GMs have been colluding with a guild to give them gold and items then that's basically game over for this server.

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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#52 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:17 am

Magerbummer wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:48 pm --snipped for length--
Wow, I don't know anyone that you mentioned, because I am new to this server, but I appreciate you for writing this all up. If all that is true, then I am sorry that you had to deal with such a toxic bunch of people... I would have quit if I were in your shoes.

I know most of us cannot see or understand the full picture here, but it is good to hear one side.

Voodoo
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#53 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:18 am

"Shut up"

I think "I'm rubber, you're glue" is inline with the intelligence of this thread

Voodoo
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#54 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:21 am

I'm not saying Icantkite is a MicroActiBlizz plant, but the evidence is strong

Lyric
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#55 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:36 am

What the fuck is going on here?
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Roses
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#56 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 12:52 am

I think the biggest drama we had since the server start. It sucks to see pig go since i had always good interaction with him. Helping with bugs or bugged bosses. And always at the end having some fun event. But yea he 100% overstepped with banning Chromie.

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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#57 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 1:05 am

Icantkite wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:36 pm So tldr every1 is a liar here. Might aswell perma me if all gms are corrupt ur server gonna have only1 guild am afraid. This is def not true.
Like I said, there is no favorable outcome to this situation for you. You won't accept the truth after begging Kestrel to investigate it. Of course, now "Kestrel is a liar" is your line right after saying he was cooking and we were all going to be banned.

You need help. You are not a revolutionary leading the people to freedom. You're just a sad, lonely internet troll that is larping as a hero to the people. Your delusions are harmful to the health of the server, and the path you are on will not lead you to anything good in life. Please get help.

Karthol
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#58 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:02 am

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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#59 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:46 am

Magerbummer wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 11:48 pm Condensed
All players have all GMs (and me) on call for all issues that arise. My Forum DMs and Email is open for anyone and all accusations are taken seriously and investigated.

We investigated the server first MC that you are claiming was assisted by Pig, the only thing that happened (and we knew about it and endorsed it before it was done) was killing/fixing a boss that would crash the server once it got to 25% and they crashed the server twice. Loot was distributed fairly according to rolls afterwards despite any inappropriate jokes that may have been made.

Bug abuse is punished equally by me personally anytime it is found. GM's do not issue punishments or resolutions for bug abuse. Igzee was found to be acquiring dreamscales from a mob that many people on the server were also farming. This mob had a bugged skinning table, this was not a blatent case of "bug abuse" and was "exploited" by over a dozen different characters from many different guilds. All dreamscales and gear crafted from all players who got scales this way was removed. This resulted in a large net negative for them as they lost all the mats around that and the only effect was the individuals who did this lost out on lots of time and resources.

There was a bugged rare spawn that was on a 2 minute timer in the last Moonwhisper release. This is not the first time this rare spawn timer issue has come up. Open world rares spawning more frequently than they should is not something that only benefits one guild, anyone can camp an open world rare spawn. Each time this issue has come up we handle it the same we remove the rare from the game until the fix can go out in the next patch. Punishments for players who happen to kill a mob that was spawning too frequently will never happen no matter what guild they are in and you are allowed to camp rare spawns in the open world.

I am unaware of any PvP item bug that allowed for the mass acquisition of Nexus Crystals but am looking into that now. Anytime someone sees a bug/exploit like this is needs to be brought to the GM's attention immediately. If they are worried it is not being handled or addressed like I said above my forum DM's and my email inbox are always open.

As you know Chromie, I am very aware of the issues between you and Crypty and other Levia members around the fountain. Last we talked I made sure to have you contact me if the issues persisted but I have not heard anything sense then so I expect the matter has been resolved. We cannot control what warnings a GM gives to their guild, we can only issue them ourselves I am not sure what you expect.

I figure the previous post by me clears up the situation with pig. I don't see new information here but if I am missing something or further quests arise do let me know.

I agree Panda as a guild got more hate then they deserved after the whole Bushdocta incident, and yes much of that was from members of Levia. Nothing that I was would subject them to mute/bans though (and this was like a month ago, maybe more? time has been funky).

If you see or have evidence of PvP collusion you need to send it to me. This is not something that we take lightly and results in bans as you have seen from the Deja Vu situation. You need to set up OBS immediately if you think these issues are rampant. If you have not yet done that still I can only assume you either do not believe you will actually catch the abuse, or you don't care, either way there is nothing more I can do to help you in these claims.

I have done my own independent sweeps of Levia guild members and found concrete evidence that this is simply not occurring. I personally gathered levia guild member kill logs inside and outside of battlegrounds and compared kill victims to the killer's guild and calculated averages for which players kill players from which guilds. There was no discrepancy between the guild-kill-rates of those inside of the guild Levia to those outside of it. If you claim to see individual instances of this occurring you need to record it and show me. I have done all that I can (over hours of development time) to find evidence to support your claims and found only evidence that you are either mistaken or lying.

I am not sure where this new claim that GM's are giving Levia members world buffs, but there has been (once again) 0 evidence to support this claim. Yes GM's do use their GM tools to help ANY AND ALL GUILDS when there are bugs in a raid. I am personally involved when that happens usually.

For the second time now, no, Pig did not cheat for them to give them loot that they wanted in the server first MC raid this incident has been reviewed so many times that you bringing it up again borders on the type of shit that ICan'tKite has been pushing in this thread. This did not happen. We clearly need to modify our ruleset to include a rule against intentional misinformation.

Making claims that you know are false against another party (and it has been repeatedly documented that you know this) should not be allowed and I will be talking with the team about a new rule to enforce this going forward despite how idiotic it is that it is needed.

The guild Levia isnot playing this game with GM relationships that are too close. Pig is no longer a GM.

The following sound like issues that have no business being in this thread. You can shit talk a guild all you want, and I even agree some of these things are cringe, but I would like this thread to stick to things that I need to deal with not your PSA about people the server should ignore, even if I do agree with it.

The issue with Darkshado sounds like a raid leader issue
Ninja looting is a thing in wow
Gear checks on a normal realm are cringe
World boss control has always been a thing on classic wow and will continue to be until summons are introduced, I have not seen any evidence of these world boss kills being "sold"
People corner markets on the AH in classic
You cannot sit here and tell me/the community that "keeping professions in the guild" is a new or abnormal thing for servers... you can't force people to craft things for others


I do empathize with your situation, you are a player that I genuinely admire for your generosity and you have been with the server for a long time. I understand the dislike of the competitive/sweatier guilds. I apricate all that you do for the community, because you genuinely do make this server a better place in aggregate. That does not change the facts of this situation though.

You have consistently spread rumors and misinformation about this guild. You have come to me a few times with issues and they have been investigated thoroughly and you have been made aware of the results of all of them. This is the first time that one has been a genuine issue, and it was not even brought to me by you, but instead by Valette the GM you claim is in Levia's pocket.

If I had an excuse to put this whole situation to bed and perma ban people involved you can be assured I would do that in a fucking heartbeat. I do not have positive feelings towards any guild, and the more I hear/have to deal with any one guild the less I like them, Levia not excluded.

There has been no abuse beyond what was already shown between Pig and Lyric. Lyric is not expected to know the guidelines of what punishment is appropriate like a GM is, and players are free to message GMs it is the GM's responsibility to maintain an appropriate relationship not the players.

If you have specific questions you are welcome to ask them in follow up comments here. You are not welcome to re-state blatantly false things that have already been addressed above. Ask questions, don't make statements you know are false or have no evidence for.

This is a message for everyone on the server. If you see an issue in game you think is violating rules make a ticket. If you are not satisfied with the ticket resolution, or if you do not trust the GM's to handle the ticket properly, send me a message directly.
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Re: Pig Lyric and the Levia files

Post#60 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:50 am

Oh and ICantKite has been temporarily banned from the forums given their recent absurd statements.
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