Pig Lyric and the Levia files

[Akeptturk250]

i mean i dry loot kids all day in Mortal Online 2 - but as far as WoW i dont think i have ever Ninja'd anything lol

Do you have any proof!?

My own eyes and one banned-unbanned who had spam on chat that your guild mates rolling items for spec they're not using. I bet he made screen.
Anyway - i find your europe part of guild unpleasant and offensive.
FYI i have on ignore all your mentioned "leaders" since mid May (so very beggining of Octo).
I guess you have tons of ppl in guild so few black sheeps can't be unavoidable.
With Icantkite accusations and Pig situation on top of your guild mate behavior levia doesn't look like place which other (non-levia) players need on Octo at all.

Yes let's take a schizo person's "accusations" seriously with ZERO evidence, even with logs dove into. lmaoo. get real dog

The Warlock stealing the T0.5 Priest chest was all over the world chat when it happened lmao get real your guild actively breeds the worst trash wow community has to offer.

[Kayge]

My own eyes and one banned-unbanned who had spam on chat that your guild mates rolling items for spec they're not using. I bet he made screen.
Anyway - i find your europe part of guild unpleasant and offensive.
FYI i have on ignore all your mentioned "leaders" since mid May (so very beggining of Octo).
I guess you have tons of ppl in guild so few black sheeps can't be unavoidable.
With Icantkite accusations and Pig situation on top of your guild mate behavior levia doesn't look like place which other (non-levia) players need on Octo at all.

Yes let's take a schizo person's "accusations" seriously with ZERO evidence, even with logs dove into. lmaoo. get real dog

The Warlock stealing the T0.5 Priest chest was all over the world chat when it happened lmao get real your guild actively breeds the worst trash wow community has to offer.

Again another person saying some shit with zero context/evidence, and that shit does happen in every guild. Our guild is very welcoming and friendly, sorry you believe the lies and u had a bad experience with a person but this does not represent the guild as a whole. Sad people buy shit like this, but people will believe whatever they want, even from a schizo loser.

[Orcmpreg]

kestrel gotta ban whole levia wake up what the fuck are u doing

[Arsarcana]

Gearcheck Claims:
I don't think we have ever had a "Gear Check" for a k10.. that's insane.

We don't even have a gear check section in our discord lol.. do we expect better than greens (Yeah) but we take fresh 60 trials all the time.

EU Team Claims:
As for the claims on our EU Team being left behind or a "feeder" myself and all the NA players made alts to help get their team off the ground and actively recruited people to fill the EU Timezone so they didn't have to stay up until 3am.

Now the EU Team is totally self sufficient and clearing content under Bearchief, Darkshado, Drogon and Soap's leadership. We all work together to accomplish goals, clear content and make the game fun and refreshing.

Market Manipulation:
Controlling a market is totally normal in classic wow - its how we paid for our guild bank and 3 tabs in it already. we use the eyes of shadow to do that on top of high end crafts that we do sell to the public but at a premium. we all agreed as a guild to gate keep recipes to drive the prices up so we all could make money. is it scummy, maybe, but that's something i am OK with. I come from a game that gatekeeping and controlling resources is king and i bring that mentality to WoW for better or worse.

World Bosses:
World Bosses in classic wow are highly sought after and contested by guilds. We simply beat you all the the punch. we all made warlocks and clickers + Spys and have rotations to check for things. This is apart of the game and we see the value in doing it as it will leapfrog our progression later. We have had one instance that i can think of where a non Levia member attended a world boss and funny enough it was a member of Panda on a azuergos kill. This player didn't even receive a item ( I Think?) either way we dont sell loot... lol.

No one in my guild has been banned for cheating or any other thing other than a druid very very early on in the servers lifecycle who was dual boxing challenge characters and warned multiple times and got banned. RIP Dru.

it is still insane to me that classic wow has this much finger pointing and shit throwing over a 20 year old game, what we do as a guild has zero effect on any of you or your day to day playing experience. If any member of Levia is effecting this playing experience in a negative way make a ticket and it will be dealt with by a GM and or message me with receipts and i can look into it.

Keep your tinfoil hats close.

Lopp
GM of Levia
Not banned

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Hi, Lopp. I'd just like to offer another perspective.
Just to be clear:
I don’t think that your guild is cheating.
I don't think the GMs are secretly helping Levia either.
But I think many of you misunderstand why people dislike your guild. (I may exaggerate «dislike”, but I've heard a lot of negative opinions about Levia. ).

There is a difference between “playing by the rules” and “making the server enjoyable for everyone”.

I think what we have here is the clash of different cultures and even languages. Many people I enjoy playing with seem to speak the language of "community", "having fun", "people", "parties" and "trust". Reading your post, I noticed a very different vocabulary: "progression", "market", "resources", "control" and "competition".

I think this is where the misunderstanding begins. See, though you don’t break any rules you have a real effect on other people's experience. Through controlling the market and world bosses, you are really taking away part of the experience from the others. It may not be against the rules, but it can easily come across as self-centered to other players. You just making people feel like there is no place for us in this game if we don’t want or don’t have time to play this game “effectively”. It feels like you leaving us with the role of spectators of your journey to greatness. And that makes people doubt if they wanna come back here tomorrow.

Sometimes it feels as if "we follow the rules" becomes the end of the discussion, while many players are actually talking about something different — the atmosphere of the server. Rules are created by GMs and developers, but the community atmosphere is created by all of us. And if you like to be one of the biggest and the best guilds on server (in some way you really are) you naturally have more influence and therefore more responsibility . The larger and more influential a guild becomes, the more visible its actions become. Whether you like it or not, people start associating the server with you.

I understand why your guild plays this way. You are organized, competitive and want to get the most out of the game. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. I'm only trying to explain why some people who don't share that philosophy react so negatively.

I may be wrong, as I come from a live-action roleplaying culture where the main unspoken rule is not to negatively affect other people's experience. But I am gonna try to ask: please take a time not thinking only by the rules. Rules tell us what we are allowed to do. Communities are built by asking ourselves what kind of experience we want other people to have. Even if the mechanics and rules allow something, it's worth considering how beneficial it is for the community atmosphere you are part of.

Thank you for your time.

[Dwarfwarrior]

As someone who has no idea who Levia is this s really just making the accusers look worse. They wasted the time to investigate baseless claims, took the time to be transparent about their process, and took action against the only party truly breaking server rules and you pivot to crying about behavior that is not bannable. By all means spread info about all ninja looters in the community but the only response is to not group with them. If you do choose to group with them with that knowledge it is 100% your fault. Grow up and find better things to focus on

[Kestrel]

Not banning lyric at least shows enough that u gms have alot of chit chat with levia the guy who posted this is right.

i am qutting this server and some friends of mine this is corruption at its finest. cya

I can confirm this is ICantKite on another account. Still waiting on all that evidence this "whistleblower" has that we are missing.

[Kestrel]

I never asked for or expected anything from Pig. Pig and I did not know each other outside of the game. He made his own decision and in the logs available you'll see I asked for nothing.

You cannot equate asking for and receiving game breaking items in the case of Bushdoctor and Meatgrinder to a GM being cordial or friendly to another player and perhaps oversharing in enforcement topics.

The ruling has been made.

I'm so sorry but you’re missing the entire point of why people are upset. Even if we take you at your word that you "never asked for anything," you still reaped the benefits of a completely compromised, biased GM who was clearly favoring you. Even though those benefits (the ones we seen) were >negligible<.

You dont have to explicitly ask for game-breaking items to be complicit. Accepting Pig`s "oversharing in enforcement topics" is a massive competitive advantage. If a GM is feeding you information or treating you differently because he is simping or being friendly, the integrity of the server itself is already ruined.

Saying "the ruling has been made" just sounds like you are not really aware that you need to be held accountable, just as Meatgrinder had been.

Just like the Bushdocta situation, we do not punish people who interact with rule breaking GMs if the individual player is not acting in knowingly rule breaking way. That is our stance and has been from the beginning nothing about this situation is different other then the fact that this instance has no material gain where the Bushdocta instance did.

[Kestrel]

So Levia is toxic and has GMs in their pockets, they purposely try to make the community and server worse (because that's winning), and if you criticise them you run the risk of getting banned. That my take on this thread, great job.

Lyric should clearly take that 10 day ban of Chromie, just to even out the world.

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<i>Punishments for players who happen to kill a mob that was spawning too frequently will never happen no matter what guild they are in and you are allowed to camp rare spawns in the open world.</i>

And what is this? Are you saying that clear bug exploits (that is killing it again and again for your own reward which is the case described) are to be expected and we should use them until someone else reports it?

Levia does not have GMs in their pockets as stated several times now. SOME of them where to buddy buddy with Pig, who is no longer a GM. You do not run the risk of getting banned, we are talking about implementing a universal rule that against knowingly and maliciously lie about things that have been proven to you to spread misinformation. The same would apply to anyone in Levia accusing you of having GM's in your pocket.

That is incorrect, we do punish clear bug exploits, we don't expect players to know the respawn timers of mobs and in the case that mod respawn timers or mod loot tables are incorrect that is an issue on our end not an issue of the player abusing a bug.

This has been how we've handled several of these incidents before and if you want us to be blanket banning "anyone who killed this mob more than 3 times" or something like that then maybe consider not everyone played turtle wow, and not everyone knows what is or isnt expected. There are still fishing pools with 2 minute respawn timers that have been in place sense turtle and are clearly a bug, should we ban anyone fishing those?

This does not risk people not reporting the bug/issue, other players will see it and report it and it has played out this way more than once before this and always gets fixed immediately by GMs.

[Kestrel]

kestrel gotta ban whole levia wake up what the fuck are u doing

Please explain this to me. How would we justify banning all of Levia, is it for ninja looting? or is it for one of their members being too comfortable with a GM? Should we ban all of Panda as well for the Bushdocta incident? Or have you just not put a single minute of thought into this?

[Kestrel]

Hi, Lopp. I'd just like to offer another perspective.
Just to be clear:
I don’t think that your guild is cheating.
I don't think the GMs are secretly helping Levia either.
But I think many of you misunderstand why people dislike your guild. (I may exaggerate «dislike”, but I've heard a lot of negative opinions about Levia. ).

There is a difference between “playing by the rules” and “making the server enjoyable for everyone”.

I think what we have here is the clash of different cultures and even languages. Many people I enjoy playing with seem to speak the language of "community", "having fun", "people", "parties" and "trust". Reading your post, I noticed a very different vocabulary: "progression", "market", "resources", "control" and "competition".

I think this is where the misunderstanding begins. See, though you don’t break any rules you have a real effect on other people's experience. Through controlling the market and world bosses, you are really taking away part of the experience from the others. It may not be against the rules, but it can easily come across as self-centered to other players. You just making people feel like there is no place for us in this game if we don’t want or don’t have time to play this game “effectively”. It feels like you leaving us with the role of spectators of your journey to greatness. And that makes people doubt if they wanna come back here tomorrow.

Sometimes it feels as if "we follow the rules" becomes the end of the discussion, while many players are actually talking about something different — the atmosphere of the server. Rules are created by GMs and developers, but the community atmosphere is created by all of us. And if you like to be one of the biggest and the best guilds on server (in some way you really are) you naturally have more influence and therefore more responsibility . The larger and more influential a guild becomes, the more visible its actions become. Whether you like it or not, people start associating the server with you.

I understand why your guild plays this way. You are organized, competitive and want to get the most out of the game. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. I'm only trying to explain why some people who don't share that philosophy react so negatively.

I may be wrong, as I come from a live-action roleplaying culture where the main unspoken rule is not to negatively affect other people's experience. But I am gonna try to ask: please take a time not thinking only by the rules. Rules tell us what we are allowed to do. Communities are built by asking ourselves what kind of experience we want other people to have. Even if the mechanics and rules allow something, it's worth considering how beneficial it is for the community atmosphere you are part of.

Thank you for your time.

I personally feel like this sums up the situation (what is still unresolved at least) beautifully, well said.