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[Vasiliy205]

That is a lot of AI... lets hope it is just an AI translator. Also Vasiliy205 is Crazyrogue from a second account so that is fun.

"I know exactly what happened with the auction. My friend had been selling the same items for silver many times before. This time he accidentally listed one stack for **28 gold instead of 28 silver**, and someone bought it. We were all surprised when it actually sold. A few days later he received a permanent ban for allegedly selling gold."

Very interesting that you all supposedly know that they made this typo. It is almost like he knew he needed an excuse for where this gold was going to come from and thought this would be a good one, just like this previous gold buyer (https://octowow.st/forum/viewtopic.php?t=838).

"From our perspective, this does not look like gold trading at all. It looks like a simple auction mistake that happened to be exploited by someone else." - who "exploited" this? The gold seller? Idk sounds like a pretty straight forward deal not an exploit.

"If this was truly considered suspicious, removing the gold or issuing a warning would have been much more reasonable than permanently banning an active player." - that may fly on other servers, but we are not tolerating RMT.

"This situation has affected our entire group. We came here to play together, and now several of us are questioning whether we should continue investing our time if an honest mistake can result in a permanent ban." - that is unfortunate, but do know that such an honest mistake will not result in a permanent ban.

"Please take another look at this case and review all the available logs before making a final decision. We believe you will see that this was not intentional gold trading." - I have personally reviewed the logs (along with another dev of course) and we can confirm he 100% bought gold there is no doubt in either of our minds this cannot be denied the excuse that they accidentally listed then and then a gold seller just happened to buy this specific auction falls flat with any digging at all.

"Am I correct in understanding that I could get anyone in the game banned simply by sending them gold or buying their item at an inflated price on the auction house?" - no you are not correct. You can get anyone banned though if you go onto an RMT website, sell thousands of gold there, and then start randomly looking for overpriced auction items and wasting your own gold to ban random people that you don't know, so be careful!

"you aren't thoroughly analyzing accounts before issuing permanent bans—even Blizzard is more lenient with players in such matters." - I am telling you that we are, you can trust your friend if you want, but they are lying to you if they are telling you they did not buy gold. And yes blizzard is more lenient than we are with RMT... not sure if that is a direction you really want to take this conversation though

We determined it by looking at the logs I have explained it plenty if you don't want to read that is fine. If you find an item for 100g and re-sell it for 1500g that will not get you banned unless you pay IRL money for it. You don't need to worry about overpricing something that will not result in a ban unless you overprice something, then pay someone IRL to go and buy that thing. It is not ambiguous.

I have been made aware it is a bit easier with some addons to make the mistake, good thing that has nothing to do with this investigation and is not weight bearing in our determination that they 100% bought gold!

Also they did not use the gold for their friends they only got time to spend 6g of it and all of that was spent on themselves. Oh and "I have repeatedly sold items like this," is just a blatant lie you have not sold a single item for more than 1g before now.

Lets stop with the bullshit, make a new account if you want to stay here, or go to another server that will let you buy gold, idc either way but stop lying and saying stupid shit.

No, friend, it’s not AI—we are all Ukrainian speakers using a translator. And these aren't two accounts; I’m his brother, and we’re using the same modem but different devices.

[Vasiliy205]

We all hang out on Discord and discuss everything there; we also have a Telegram group we can add you to if you don't believe us. It’s quite amusing how you question everything—it doesn't exactly show competence.

[Vasiliy205]

I’ve read everything, and I’m shocked at how incompetent the people working here are. It was a complete waste of time. Good luck with your server. You come across like a schoolkid. No one is going to create new accounts here. We gave you our team's nicknames and confirmed that we didn't need the gold—that it was a mistake—yet you keep insisting on your version and accusing us of lying, and doing so rudely. Still, thanks for the candid reply; you’ve settled an internal debate we were having. Goodbye—I hope you get fired for your incompetence.

[Carazyrogue]

never said I sold items for more than 1 gold; I was selling a bunch of identical items—specifically, 5 stacks of Rogue tea at 28 silver each—and a misclick resulted in a bid of 28 gold. You checked the logs but missed that detail. Your arguments amount to "guilty because guilty." don't want to level up two characters just to get banned by mistake again. It’s a matter of principle. What kind of proof do you need? What do I need to provide?

[Kestrel]

I can see device fingerprints my dude, so either you share the same phone or...

also do Ukrainian keyboards have em dashes on them or did you just not understand what I said?

[Kestrel]

never said I sold items for more than 1 gold; I was selling a bunch of identical items—specifically, 5 stacks of Rogue tea at 28 silver each—and a misclick resulted in a bid of 28 gold. You checked the logs but missed that detail. Your arguments amount to "guilty because guilty." don't want to level up two characters just to get banned by mistake again. It’s a matter of principle. What kind of proof do you need? What do I need to provide?

No our argument is guilty because you acquired gold from a known gold seller via a well known auction house masking method. That is the evidence. You said that our review of the logs missed "that detail" what exactly is the detail? The fact that you miskicked? Logs to not log your intent

[Kestrel]

I’ve read everything, and I’m shocked at how incompetent the people working here are. It was a complete waste of time. Good luck with your server. You come across like a schoolkid. No one is going to create new accounts here. We gave you our team's nicknames and confirmed that we didn't need the gold—that it was a mistake—yet you keep insisting on your version and accusing us of lying, and doing so rudely. Still, thanks for the candid reply; you’ve settled an internal debate we were having. Goodbye—I hope you get fired for your incompetence.

So incompetent we are, its a shame no more players will join now, oh well, bye!

[Carazyrogue]

I’ve read everything, and I’m shocked at how incompetent the people working here are. It was a complete waste of time. Good luck with your server. You come across like a schoolkid. No one is going to create new accounts here. We gave you our team's nicknames and confirmed that we didn't need the gold—that it was a mistake—yet you keep insisting on your version and accusing us of lying, and doing so rudely. Still, thanks for the candid reply; you’ve settled an internal debate we were having. Goodbye—I hope you get fired for your incompetence.

So incompetent we are, its a shame no more players will join now, oh well, bye!

'm incredibly glad it turned out this way—what a bunch of idiots work on this server. Bye.

[Vasiliy205]

I’ve read everything, and I’m shocked at how incompetent the people working here are. It was a complete waste of time. Good luck with your server. You come across like a schoolkid. No one is going to create new accounts here. We gave you our team's nicknames and confirmed that we didn't need the gold—that it was a mistake—yet you keep insisting on your version and accusing us of lying, and doing so rudely. Still, thanks for the candid reply; you’ve settled an internal debate we were having. Goodbye—I hope you get fired for your incompetence.

So incompetent we are, its a shame no more players will join now, oh well, bye!

'm incredibly glad it turned out this way—what a bunch of idiots work on this server. Bye.

I'm not exactly happy, though—I had high hopes for this server, and I spent four in-game days on my character.

[Sosagio]

How can someone who makes the following statements engage in any kind of reasoning? :

"You can get anyone banned though if you go onto an RMT website, sell thousands of gold there, and then start randomly looking for overpriced auction items and wasting your own gold to ban random people that you don't know."

And then:

"you don't need to worry about overpricing something that will not result in a ban."

Those two statements contradict each other.

I'm no longer interested in playing on this server or wasting another week of my time just to end up with a response like:

"Let's stop with the bullshit, make a new account if you want to stay here, or go to another server that will let you buy gold, idc either way but stop lying and saying stupid shit."


The saddest part is that, by your logic, anyone can get falsely banned based on nothing more than some idiot's suspicions.

The thing is, you actually believe he bought gold, and you're convinced we're just making up bullshit to "save our friend." But the reality is much simpler: you're just banning players while pretending your assumptions are facts.