2026-07-29

[Antros]

You absolutely have people asking for changes to better the server WE PLAY ON, and at every turn we're dismissed.
Low pop > no pvp happening weither world or through instanced battle grounds.
Arena is broken, thorn gorge is broken, pvp vendors are missing / time gated for PVE reasons... (listed in another thread(but also doesn't matter because we can't earn conquest because arena is broken all together and honor is capped weekly)) Raiding opposite faction major cities gives little/no honor/title (broken?) Leader respawns in seconds/minutes
Throw us a bone, the pvp server needs love and we're just being dismissed.
If I wanted to quest i'd play a different game..

[Kestrel]

You clearly haven't read a single thing I've said; I've explicitly stated that you've removed dungeon tagging which was the easiest way to help guildies level to 60 more so because on the PvP server we cannot mob tag outside... very rules for thee but not for me relative to PvE/PvP server balance — that we had to argue for the return of summons/trading alts specifically on the PvP server — that you refuse to make XP x2 for the PvP server and now, this!

The BG XP nerf for the PvP server is yet another nail in the coffin.

PvP players don't quest unless it gives a PvP advantage. PvP players don't raid unless it gives a PvP advantage.

You are confusing and conflating PvE and PvP server players in these responses and in general and unilaterally applying changes to both servers.

Devs implementing ideas without consent and without considering the servers themselves has seemingly been a long standing shortcoming of the dev team.

You said I didn't read, and yet I responded specifically to that point here, "We did not nerf dungeon EXP or tagging EXP, we patched an exploit that allowed for group dropping to funnel EXP into a target, we did this on all servers not just the PvP server." so that is a lie. That rule applies to all realms, the lack of open world boosting on the PvP realm is not something that we have to punish PvP players that is how Turtle WoW rules worked as well whether or not they enforced them.

We did not nerf BG EXP for the PvP server, we nerfed BG EXP for everyone. It is still 50% more efficent than questing on the PvE realm and is 60% more efficient on the PvP realm. You are arguing to have BG's give 120% more EXP than questing on the PvP realm... can you say that with your chest?

We have considered the servers themselves, and no matter the server, no method of leveling should be 120% more efficient than all other methods of leveling. Full stop. You keep dodging this fact either stand on your opinion or don't but stop saying vague platitudes about how we don't care about you.

[Knifewrench]

You clearly haven't read a single thing I've said; I've explicitly stated that you've removed dungeon tagging which was the easiest way to help guildies level to 60 more so because on the PvP server we cannot mob tag outside... very rules for thee but not for me relative to PvE/PvP server balance — that we had to argue for the return of summons/trading alts specifically on the PvP server — that you refuse to make XP x2 for the PvP server and now, this!

The BG XP nerf for the PvP server is yet another nail in the coffin.

PvP players don't quest unless it gives a PvP advantage. PvP players don't raid unless it gives a PvP advantage.

You are confusing and conflating PvE and PvP server players in these responses and in general and unilaterally applying changes to both servers.

Devs implementing ideas without consent and without considering the servers themselves has seemingly been a long standing shortcoming of the dev team.

You said I didn't read, and yet I responded specifically to that point here, "We did not nerf dungeon EXP or tagging EXP, we patched an exploit that allowed for group dropping to funnel EXP into a target, we did this on all servers not just the PvP server." so that is a lie. That rule applies to all realms, the lack of open world boosting on the PvP realm is not something that we have to punish PvP players that is how Turtle WoW rules worked as well whether or not they enforced them.

We did not nerf BG EXP for the PvP server, we nerfed BG EXP for everyone. It is still 50% more efficent than questing on the PvE realm and is 60% more efficient on the PvP realm. You are arguing to have BG's give 120% more EXP than questing on the PvP realm... can you say that with your chest?

We have considered the servers themselves, and no matter the server, no method of leveling should be 120% more efficient than all other methods of leveling. Full stop. You keep dodging this fact either stand on your opinion or don't but stop saying vague platitudes about how we don't care about you.

if we gonna use the not punish pvp server route by invoking but it was twow rules, where did our twow 2x exp go? the gaslighting in ur posts is unreal. very high lvls of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A07H99yNm9c

[Kestrel]

You — who weren't a part of the PvP server and the dev team... who weren't a part of the PvP server — telling us the largest guilds and most active players of Tel'Abim that the server was grossly mismanaged and neglected on Turtle WoW and that you don't plan on making that same mistake here; all while doing infinitely worse within the span of barely a month... Do you realise how that sounds to us?

We're all for PvP events and we organised them ourselves and had major attendance (500+ people fighting in Hyjal) in organised rounds etc. — we gladly welcome server side events — but do not dare tell us that you know better than us what we want and why.

Doing infinitely worse by... not granting 2x exp and not allowing BG's to give 120% the exp that all other leveling methods give? Agree to disagree.

If you want a democratically run PvP server I suggest you make one. If you want 120% more exp from BG's than questing, then say so. But you are really asking for 120% more exp from BG's and also for 2x exp, so 240% exp on the PvP server from BG's.

You think that one AB at level 55 should give a full level and a half of exp per hour? You want people to go from level 50-60 in just under 7 hours? You don't want to play classic wow then and that is fine. Go elsewhere because we are not going to be having people get from 50 to 60 in 7 hours spamming BGs.

[Knifewrench]

You — who weren't a part of the PvP server and the dev team... who weren't a part of the PvP server — telling us the largest guilds and most active players of Tel'Abim that the server was grossly mismanaged and neglected on Turtle WoW and that you don't plan on making that same mistake here; all while doing infinitely worse within the span of barely a month... Do you realise how that sounds to us?

We're all for PvP events and we organised them ourselves and had major attendance (500+ people fighting in Hyjal) in organised rounds etc. — we gladly welcome server side events — but do not dare tell us that you know better than us what we want and why.

Doing infinitely worse by... not granting 2x exp and not allowing BG's to give 120% the exp that all other leveling methods give? Agree to disagree.

If you want a democratically run PvP server I suggest you make one. If you want 120% more exp from BG's than questing, then say so. But you are really asking for 120% more exp from BG's and also for 2x exp, so 240% exp on the PvP server from BG's.

You think that one AB at level 55 should give a full level and a half of exp per hour? You want people to go from level 50-60 in just under 7 hours? You don't want to play classic wow then and that is fine. Go elsewhere because we are not going to be having people get from 50 to 60 in 7 hours spamming BGs.

i enterd with my pala at 56 into DME and plant farmed and took less then 2h per lvl while slacking. now shaman can do this from lvl 51. so how is BG faster again? then what people not being efficient?, and again ur enforcing ur pve vieuws on pvpers "u dont want classic, becuase my vieuw of classic is some narrowminded pve take"

[Kestrel]

Maybe we could just put the issue up for a vote with the Pollsters in the major cities and see what happens. Or have a poll on the forums. However it's done, I think the feedback here shouldn't fall on deaf ears. People wouldn't be commenting on this if they didn't care about the pvp server. We all want what's best for it and I think a lot (myself included) are genuinely worried that this change is going to cause harm to the population.

Think it's pretty obvious they're at best indifferent to the pvp server

We go out of our way to support the PvP server, we have content we have been working on specifically for them, and fixed the DK issue with WPvP in this patch and yet all people do is complain they can't get from 50 to 60 in 7 (or 14 if you don't support 2x exp) hours.

[Zeniet]

You clearly haven't read a single thing I've said; I've explicitly stated that you've removed dungeon tagging which was the easiest way to help guildies level to 60 more so because on the PvP server we cannot mob tag outside... very rules for thee but not for me relative to PvE/PvP server balance — that we had to argue for the return of summons/trading alts specifically on the PvP server — that you refuse to make XP x2 for the PvP server and now, this!

The BG XP nerf for the PvP server is yet another nail in the coffin.

PvP players don't quest unless it gives a PvP advantage. PvP players don't raid unless it gives a PvP advantage.

You are confusing and conflating PvE and PvP server players in these responses and in general and unilaterally applying changes to both servers.

Devs implementing ideas without consent and without considering the servers themselves has seemingly been a long standing shortcoming of the dev team.

You said I didn't read, and yet I responded specifically to that point here, "We did not nerf dungeon EXP or tagging EXP, we patched an exploit that allowed for group dropping to funnel EXP into a target, we did this on all servers not just the PvP server." so that is a lie. That rule applies to all realms, the lack of open world boosting on the PvP realm is not something that we have to punish PvP players that is how Turtle WoW rules worked as well whether or not they enforced them.

We did not nerf BG EXP for the PvP server, we nerfed BG EXP for everyone. It is still 50% more efficent than questing on the PvE realm and is 60% more efficient on the PvP realm. You are arguing to have BG's give 120% more EXP than questing on the PvP realm... can you say that with your chest?

We have considered the servers themselves, and no matter the server, no method of leveling should be 120% more efficient than all other methods of leveling. Full stop. You keep dodging this fact either stand on your opinion or don't but stop saying vague platitudes about how we don't care about you.

if we gonna use the not punish pvp server route by invoking but it was twow rules, where did our twow 2x exp go? the gaslighting in ur posts is unreal. very high lvls of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A07H99yNm9c

If you don't know what gaslighting means, don't use it. It's a quite serious term related to psychological violence. All he did was say that it's a rule for all servers, and that this rule also existed on Turtle WoW.

[Knifewrench]

Maybe we could just put the issue up for a vote with the Pollsters in the major cities and see what happens. Or have a poll on the forums. However it's done, I think the feedback here shouldn't fall on deaf ears. People wouldn't be commenting on this if they didn't care about the pvp server. We all want what's best for it and I think a lot (myself included) are genuinely worried that this change is going to cause harm to the population.

Think it's pretty obvious they're at best indifferent to the pvp server

We go out of our way to support the PvP server, we have content we have been working on specifically for them, and fixed the DK issue with WPvP in this patch and yet all people do is complain they can't get from 50 to 60 in 7 (or 14 if you don't support 2x exp) hours.

we consistently have been asking since start for skirmishes to fix our qeue's, instead we try getting xrealm shoved down our troaths.

[Kestrel]

You absolutely have people asking for changes to better the server WE PLAY ON, and at every turn we're dismissed.
Low pop > no pvp happening weither world or through instanced battle grounds.
Arena is broken, thorn gorge is broken, pvp vendors are missing / time gated for PVE reasons... (listed in another thread(but also doesn't matter because we can't earn conquest because arena is broken all together and honor is capped weekly)) Raiding opposite faction major cities gives little/no honor/title (broken?) Leader respawns in seconds/minutes
Throw us a bone, the pvp server needs love and we're just being dismissed.
If I wanted to quest i'd play a different game..

Yeah and we have implemented some of them. We are not going to implement everything people ask for. We are hearing you out and discussing with you why we are not doing things rather than dismissing you. Maybe that is a mistake. At least for those that clearly do not manage to see both sidess

What PvP vendors are missing? We are not allowing you to get gear that is AQ40 level in power in phase 1 if that is what you mean. Not sure if you want that or are just trolling.

Thorn gorge is being worked on along with arena. This is a beta while we are restoring Turtle WoW content do you know what you signed up for when you came here?

Raiding opposite faction major cities works the same it did on turtle wow with the only exception being that leaders respawn faster, we are working to actually make content around this rather than ignore it like turtle did.

We have thrown you a bone, we are working actively on content for the PvP server and have fixed the DK issue that plagued WPvP since 2004. You are getting more than a bone we are cooking up a meal, but that does not mean you get to level from 50 to 60 in 7 hours.

[Kestrel]

if we gonna use the not punish pvp server route by invoking but it was twow rules, where did our twow 2x exp go? the gaslighting in ur posts is unreal. very high lvls of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A07H99yNm9c

Did we not go over this 5 times already? fr?