2026-07-29

[Knifewrench]

It is easier for us if you don't want cross realms, where are we shoving it down your throats??? We have a poll asking for community feedback on the matter we are not telling you "Your gona play cross realm and like it!"... are you on the right server?

My brother in christ your way of polling is putting a random NPC in stormwind? I had to waste 15 mins flying there from gurubashi arena only to find out my lazypig auto-voted for me?

This is your way of reaching out to the community?

Jesus christ.

Dont forget we dont even truely know what we voting on, wil it be complete qeue merger aka ehhh faction imbalance on pve server.... wont work. Will it be filling pvp servers missing qeues, o force 1 faction to be hybrid with pve server but other faction aint. Both versions wil only cause super obvious problems. Just like the grey deathtimer thing would have only lead to more abuse and griefing.

[Asdgberer]

so maybe lets netf hunters - they are much faster than warrior in lvling (tame pet in 60 lvl for nerf or same)

[Kestrel]

Kestrel has been more than clear on his stances on PVP.

Kestrel doesn't consider PVP players equal to PVErs, this is obvious.

The fact you need to invest thousands of hours to acquire the reworked PVP gear is irrelevant. Kestrel still believes this is getting your gear "for free". As if going to MC twice and spending 2 hours there is comparably more effort.

Kestrel obviously also believes that being rewarded for playing PVP with experience and leveling that way is "free" and that PVP players obviously "do nothing" so what the fuck are we even coming to this forum and posting.

Joke admins

Where did I say PvP gear was free? You can make ridiculous claims if you want, but if we did not consider PvP players equal we would not have given them their own server.

[Kestrel]

I dont get the Slow and Steady Nerf. Slow and Steady is -50% from Kills, not from Quests. By that logic why do Quests still give Full-XP when BG-Objectives don't?

Slow and Steady Players basically can't play PvP anymore, because both nerfs stack and make you get 75% less XP in BGs. At that point you can just mob-grind for faster XP...

SnS's main thing was basically that Dungeons kinda suck for leveling, especially if your Grp sucks and you die a few times.

I'd rather have the SnS Rewards be nerfed than this crap. I always loved doing lowlevel BGs but with this change I always think "I should just quest to level instead".

I always hated this "patch out the fun"-design philosophy. Yeah PvP-Leveling was fast, if you won. But most BGs were a complete shitshow with people that played on a Racing-Wheel with Pedals. And on this Server you can't just 24/7 level through PvP, you have maybe a few hours per Day where BGs open up constantly. With this change I doubt that will happen again. Except XP-locked players, which should never be allowed to play against normal people anyways, will be the only ones left in queue forever.

In the last few months, so much shit was nerfed to make leveling more painful. Tents gone, SnS was nerfed like 5x in the last Year. Its just sad, I dont get the logic. Is anyone having more fun because of these changes? I doubt it!

The issue is that as it was, S&S was able to not suffer any consequences of the challenge while reaping all of the rewards through BG leveling. Now they are still able to level through BGs, but just with the same penalties as mob grinding.

Our calculations were based on a 50% winrate not only measuring leveling speed when winning. We are not trying to patch out the fun, we are ensuring that leveling methods are balanced and reasonably close to each other in leveling speed. BG's are still the fastest way to level for the vast majority of players/levels.

[Kestrel]

i think its time wegive up, we clearly being ignored on all our feedback. we were told this was gona be Ta like, instead we got hooked in with our time and everything we saw was good about TA slowly being removed. issues not adressed. and instead of fixxing the existing bshit we make up idea's literly not feasable that no one asked for. make some dumb ingame poll that doesnt explain people what they actually voting for. because it was never about a fair informed choice to begin with. like the whole grey death timer thing because pve cringelords THINK pvp people have nothing else to do but gank greys. clearly people got no clue about pvp yet pretend they do.and unironicly call TA neglected and miss managed. well TA was managed better then y'shaarj. next poll red or blue? we wont let u know what ur voting on just vote a color mate.

Nobody on the OctoWoW Team ever said it would be like Tel'Abim. That was never our goal I am not sure where you found that information but I agree you were lied to if you were told that. We aim to be better. You don't have to agree of course.

The in game polls feel clear to me but if you have better wording I am open to suggestions.

The goal is to gauge how players feel about cross faction BG's on the normal realm, and how players on the PvP realm feel about cross realm BG's (assuming they are not cross faction). This is obviously testing the waters to see how the community feels about the potential to disable cross faction BG's in order to enable cross realm BGs to help resolve the BG queue issue on the PvP realm.

[Kestrel]

It is easier for us if you don't want cross realms, where are we shoving it down your throats??? We have a poll asking for community feedback on the matter we are not telling you "Your gona play cross realm and like it!"... are you on the right server?

My brother in christ your way of polling is putting a random NPC in stormwind? I had to waste 15 mins flying there from gurubashi arena only to find out my lazypig auto-voted for me?

This is your way of reaching out to the community?

Jesus christ.

You want me to hand deliver a letter? Or perhaps shove some UI options in your face right when you loggin? Do you really never go to a major city? The poll is open for a week you can stay in Gurubashi as long as you want.

Also our lazy pig in testing (the version from the launcher) did not auto vote for us. If you suspect a different version is doing that please send us a link to that version so we can see what we can do about fixing that. In the meantime we are working to allow people to change their vote while the polls are still open.

[Knifewrench]

i think its time wegive up, we clearly being ignored on all our feedback. we were told this was gona be Ta like, instead we got hooked in with our time and everything we saw was good about TA slowly being removed. issues not adressed. and instead of fixxing the existing bshit we make up idea's literly not feasable that no one asked for. make some dumb ingame poll that doesnt explain people what they actually voting for. because it was never about a fair informed choice to begin with. like the whole grey death timer thing because pve cringelords THINK pvp people have nothing else to do but gank greys. clearly people got no clue about pvp yet pretend they do.and unironicly call TA neglected and miss managed. well TA was managed better then y'shaarj. next poll red or blue? we wont let u know what ur voting on just vote a color mate.

Nobody on the OctoWoW Team ever said it would be like Tel'Abim. That was never our goal I am not sure where you found that information but I agree you were lied to if you were told that. We aim to be better. You don't have to agree of course.

The in game polls feel clear to me but if you have better wording I am open to suggestions.

The goal is to gauge how players feel about cross faction BG's on the normal realm, and how players on the PvP realm feel about cross realm BG's (assuming they are not cross faction). This is obviously testing the waters to see how the community feels about the potential to disable cross faction BG's in order to enable cross realm BGs to help resolve the BG queue issue on the PvP realm.

How are you gonna adress not having faction balance on pve realm if u merge qeues and remove xfaction? 2/3 of pve server is 1 faction, or the fact pve realm has aprox 15%? More stats while raiding getting free loot.

[Kestrel]

How are you gonna adress not having faction balance on pve realm if u merge qeues and remove xfaction? 2/3 of pve server is 1 faction, or the fact pve realm has aprox 15%? More stats while raiding getting free loot.

We are feeling out how the community feels about it not saying we are for sure doing it.

If we were to do it the faction balance of the BG Queues would change. The Horde on the PvP realm would suddenly get a lot quicker BG Queues. The PvE realm progression vs the PvP realm progression is of course a concern, hence why we are asking the players how they feel about it and if the trade off is worth it or not.

Like I said if you have another wording for the poll you think would be better I would genuinely like to hear it. Crafting unbiased polling questions that also give all necessary context is something people spend years perfecting it is a difficult thing to do.

[Knifewrench]

How are you gonna adress not having faction balance on pve realm if u merge qeues and remove xfaction? 2/3 of pve server is 1 faction, or the fact pve realm has aprox 15%? More stats while raiding getting free loot.

We are feeling out how the community feels about it not saying we are for sure doing it.

If we were to do it the faction balance of the BG Queues would change. The Horde on the PvP realm would suddenly get a lot quicker BG Queues. The PvE realm progression vs the PvP realm progression is of course a concern, hence why we are asking the players how they feel about it and if the trade off is worth it or not.

Like I said if you have another wording for the poll you think would be better I would genuinely like to hear it. Crafting unbiased polling questions that also give all necessary context is something people spend years perfecting it is a difficult thing to do.

So wil xrealm bg be only 1 qeue or wil pve have a seperate qeue next to xrealm with pvp? None of the issues brought up have been awnserd or adressed, if u cant tell us how exactly envision how u will make it work a poll is useless because we got no clue what we voting.on. imagine horde has qeue time on bgs WITH faction balance 52-48% on pvp realm explain how merging qeur with a 60-40% realm isnt just gonna make everything worse? Beside all the unfair pve advantages for gear pve realm has while pvp gear isnt even relevent till aq phase basicly.

[Nandieb]

Given the most spicy topic here is clearly the BG EXP nerfs, our thoughts on this are simple. BG's should not award 50% more experience then all other forms of leveling.

Can you prove this claim with actual maths?
I find this whole complaining about BGs being too fast of an experience gain to be frankly a bit disingenuous, because all these wildly exaggerated claims assume 100% winrate