Revert BG XP gain change for pvp realm

[Yotca]

PvP realm players currently getting pissed on and told it's rain.

Haven't heard that one in a while... laughed way harder than I should've

[Duraluminium]

I think that instead of reverting the change, the xp rates on the server should be changed into x2. So it's not that bgs give more xp than the other activities, but all the activities including bgs give two times more xp.

[Doaksie]

bump

[Kestrel]

Our calculations show the following leveling speeds in terms of levels per hour.

Bracket, levels per hour from AB post nerf(at a 50% win rate, no warmode), levels per hour from questing, the pre nerf levels per hour from AB

30-39, 0.61, 0.46, 0.76
40-49, 0.42, 0.28, 0.78
50-59, 0.32, 0.20, 0.78

So even post nerfs BGs are the best way to level by far, not counting the 20% warmode bonus. This data was calculated by analyzing the actual exp per hour rates of real players on both servers not simulated data. The only simulated data was the post nerf rates which were a very simple and reliable calculation we were able to do taking the pre nerf rates and applying our new modifiers.

This was posted deep in another thread but thought it would be worth sharing here for visibility. As you can see BGs are still a great (the fastest) way to level.

[Spicyahi]

2x xp please

[Redhotcc]

Our calculations show the following leveling speeds in terms of levels per hour.

Bracket, levels per hour from AB post nerf(at a 50% win rate, no warmode), levels per hour from questing, the pre nerf levels per hour from AB

30-39, 0.61, 0.46, 0.76
40-49, 0.42, 0.28, 0.78
50-59, 0.32, 0.20, 0.78

So even post nerfs BGs are the best way to level by far, not counting the 20% warmode bonus. This data was calculated by analyzing the actual exp per hour rates of real players on both servers not simulated data. The only simulated data was the post nerf rates which were a very simple and reliable calculation we were able to do taking the pre nerf rates and applying our new modifiers.

This was posted deep in another thread but thought it would be worth sharing here for visibility. As you can see BGs are still a great (the fastest) way to level.

I think the issue Kestrel is more 1) some people wanting 2x xp gain baseline for the pvp server so its similar to telabim (while people WANT changes to this server so it doesn't become stagnant, the expectation was for it to be as similar to turtle wow was as possible as a baseline), so any nerf to xp will be seen as bad, even if its op compared to other leveling methods. For example, this nerf alongside a general 2x xp buff would make a bit more sense maybe.

2) since bgs will be less and less likely to pop during leveling as time goes on, ANY nerfs DISINCENTIVIZE queueing. And people want people to be ENCOURAGED to pvp on a pvp server.

probably other smaller factors to this as well. Like pvp server telabim feeling "unheard" by the original turtle devs. So that caused some bitterness as well i suppose.

So in a vacuum, your logic is maybe sound. But those 2 factors kinda make it more complicated.

[Gumby444]

No way that queue times are considered into that calculation. Lol

[Redhotcc]

ya its kinda a hard thing to calculate xp per hour in bgs because its based on queue times, your/enemy team, etc

[Doaksie]

I don't necessarily dispute the numbers but what I don't think they demonstrate is that a 50% reduction was the right balance decision for a PvP server.

The post nerf figures are based on applying the new XP modifiers to pre nerf data, which is a reasonable way to estimate the immediate impact. However, it doesn't account for how player behavior might change over time. Lower rewards can reduce the incentive to queue, and if participation falls, queue times could increase, making BG leveling less attractive. On a PvP server, battlegrounds depend on an active player pool, so player incentives matter just as much as raw XP rates.

The analysis also doesn't show the sample size, variance, or enough detail about the methodology to judge how representative the averages are. But more importantly, XP/hour only answers one question: which activity is allegedly the fastest for leveling. It doesn't address the broader concern raised throughout this thread, which is that rewarding BG participation helps keep queues active and gives the PvP realm its own identity. Showing that BGs are still the fastest leveling method doesn't, by itself, show that reducing their rewards by this amount is the best long term design choice for the health of the server.

Not to sound too much like a broken record, but I'd be very curious to see a poll on this, or at best, further discussion beyond forums. Judging by the amount of feedback this change has received, I genuinely think dismissing these concerns risks alienating a lot of people, myself included.

[Defiant]

I think that instead of reverting the change, the xp rates on the server should be changed into x2. So it's not that bgs give more xp than the other activities, but all the activities including bgs give two times more xp.

Ill be honest, you've all been heard and acknowledged regarding the boosted XP requests. I don't think I've gone a single day in the past month where I haven't seen at least one of maybe 15~ very vocal people pushing for 2x rates.

The devs surely have seen that. I would recommend moving on, as all youre doing at this point is spamming. We have a PVE server and a PVP server and the devs want the rates to be the same on each server. Only the PVP players seem to have an issue with this.