2026-07-29

[Knifewrench]

I have a word of advice to Kestrel and the loud, annoying minority in here specifically the "BG" people.

Kestrel, you should stop trying to appease everyone. These people are complaining that they can't cheat a challenge (S&S) through fast pvp leveling and reaping the rewards, they want to a retail-like leveling experience because leveling is a "boring and mundane" activity, they want a PVP server where everyone 10-60 lives inside the BGs.. so much for PVP... what even is the point.

I for one leveled normally 1-60 but did a few BGs and I didn't even know BGs granted this insane amount of XP and it genuinly hurted me because it was much more effecient, I couldn't even try moonwhisper 50-60 because AV was just too good. I get it that not everyone wants to quest for the millionth time. But hey this is a classic+ server not retail. If you don't like it go pay up 15$ to blizzard and enjoy max lvl pvp content in a few hours.

YOU people are genuinly loud and wasting the devs' time with your whining, this is CLASSIC+ not RETAIL. remember back when you didn't even have tents/inn rested xp and you would be scraping through zones to just hit that 60. Now you are so used to effecient leveling with rested xp and need even a bigger xp boost with BGs. Just shut the fuck up and put an end to this madness let them cry for a little while, they either get used to it or leave. And frankly everyone would rather you guys just leave.

Toxic, whiny, obnoxious literal cuckoo chicks behaviour.

On that note, I believe the lashers nerf is not good, I don't farm there personally. But it helped stabilizing the prices of herbs and thus all consums. You probably heard that a lot here and I am just here to add my voice.

If u want free money and whine about lasher farm how about you fuck of to retail and buy gold there. This is turtle+ not retail, u ungratefull little prick.

[Knifewrench]

I have a word of advice to Kestrel and the loud, annoying minority in here specifically the "BG" people.

Kestrel, you should stop trying to appease everyone. These people are complaining that they can't cheat a challenge (S&S) through fast pvp leveling and reaping the rewards, they want to a retail-like leveling experience because leveling is a "boring and mundane" activity, they want a PVP server where everyone 10-60 lives inside the BGs.. so much for PVP... what even is the point.

I for one leveled normally 1-60 but did a few BGs and I didn't even know BGs granted this insane amount of XP and it genuinly hurted me because it was much more effecient, I couldn't even try moonwhisper 50-60 because AV was just too good. I get it that not everyone wants to quest for the millionth time. But hey this is a classic+ server not retail. If you don't like it go pay up 15$ to blizzard and enjoy max lvl pvp content in a few hours.

YOU people are genuinly loud and wasting the devs' time with your whining, this is CLASSIC+ not RETAIL. remember back when you didn't even have tents/inn rested xp and you would be scraping through zones to just hit that 60. Now you are so used to effecient leveling with rested xp and need even a bigger xp boost with BGs. Just shut the fuck up and put an end to this madness let them cry for a little while, they either get used to it or leave. And frankly everyone would rather you guys just leave.

Toxic, whiny, obnoxious literal cuckoo chicks behaviour.

Based.

Should things be 20x harder for us? If anything we're closer to Vanilla than the PvE server ever will be.

I'm sure, with the way most people level (by questing solo), you actually level faster on the PvP realm with the 15% boost + ganks compared to PvE without Warmode...

Do not allow yourself to post about us "complaining" when our constraints are very different from yours — you PvE server cross faction folks are the ones playing on easy mode and are the furthest removed from any sort of vanilla+ experience.

First of all, the PvP is of course closer to classic due to the faction war. THAT'S the main pull of the PvP realm. And you guys argue that you want to avoid exactly that Open World PvP aspect of it that characterizes the PvP realm by zooming through BGs to level up? Kinda weird and hypocritical IMHO. The main selling point is exactly to adventure through the open world and fight the opposite faction, not hide away in BGs. Seems people might've gotten it backwards on Tel'Abim with the expectation of avoiding the leveling experience. I bet loads of chads went TA, not because of the faction war, but the double XP...

Id once again like to state why are you botherd by what the other server u dont play on gets? Is this all the pvp u do?. Tbh we should resolve all these issues. Merge pve server into pvp. Remove ungodly xfaction. And lets us fight this out ingame instead of on forums. Because most of u pve'ers are crying about a asked change that doesnt even effect you.

[Nandieb]

Just leave overall battlegrounds as they are.
Keep PvE realm crossfaction and pvp realm faction bound and don’t mix the two, it doesn’t make sense

[Xallog2]

I don't personally understand the downside to xfaction bgs on PvP realm. Surely it's better to have fast queues than faction v faction?

[Nandieb]

I don't personally understand the downside to xfaction bgs on PvP realm. Surely it's better to have fast queues than faction v faction?

It will completely fuck over nzoth
The small gain for the small yhsaarj community is not worth the huge loss for the larger nzoth community

[Knifewrench]

I don't personally understand the downside to xfaction bgs on PvP realm. Surely it's better to have fast queues than faction v faction?

It will completely fuck over nzoth
The small gain for the small yhsaarj community is not worth the huge loss for the larger nzoth community

It will fuck over yhsaarj hard, it wil be bad for both servers.

[Nandieb]

Just make it so everyone on nzoth who polled against crossfaction BGs gets transferred to yshaarj, all problems solved

[Brwcht]

Given the most spicy topic here is clearly the BG EXP nerfs, our thoughts on this are simple. BG's should not award 50% more experience then all other forms of leveling.

Out intention is not to stop people from getting to 60 or force them from questing and anyone arguing such is doing so in bad faith. After these changes BG's should be ON PAR with other forms of leveling, if you want to do BG's to level you can, if you want to quest to level you can. Both will get you to 60 at about the same rate.

If you feel the leveling speed overall on the server needs adjusting that is a separate conversation that has been had before and will continue to be had. Please be sure you are addressing the correct concern in your posts.

Today we have on the pvp server:
- players who have level 60 character for both factions;
- we have those who can not get 60 in any way because they are stuck somewhere in the dungeons trying to fully dress their character with better gear and so on every 3-5 levels;
-someone specifically stopped gaining experience every *9 levels to enjoy the winning BGs.
Having it all what kind of balance in gaining experience are you talking about? It's pointless to talk about it, just like it was pointless to reduce the experience with BGs. Because I got my 35-60 lvls on BG, and there were days when there were no BGs. And in those days, I refused to do quests because I wasn't participating in the mythical race for exp that you're talking about. I had 0 gold after this leveling, but I don't regret it, but I feel sorry for those people who could have avoided doing these boring and exhausting quests and instead enjoyed the battles on BGs.

[Zeniet]

If consumes are that important and strictly necessary for everyone in raids, that is another problem in and of itself. I get it if it's just to compensate for not having great great yet. And for key players (tanks?) in specific situations (hard bosses). Also nobody would be surprised if HC raids require maxed out buffs.

But if consumes are otherwise generally a requirement for raiding. Please balance raids around not requiring that, on the very same basis that World Buffs are not for raiding.

Of course, consumes/maxing out buffs would still be relevant to minmax or get tactical advantage in PvP.

Sidenote: It initially felt weird that on Epoch you could only have one defensive (Guardian) elixir and one offensive elixir. But I got used to it. And come to think of it it makes sense. So you don't just have to spam all potions, but have to prioritize for a tactical advantage depending on your build and strategy.

2. In guilds where consumes are mandatory and they can't afford them, it will push them towards RMT, which seems counterintuitive. As a tank myself I need flasks + protection pots along with the basic consumes, not really an issue for me since I can gold farm but all this change does is make it more expensive. No upside.
I do agree that having 1 guardian/1 battle elixir on would be quite neat. Alternatively could do it the way TBC did, have flask count as both.

Surely it isn't mandatory for the entire guild to be fully buffed with every thinkable consumeable. I get it as a tank, or another key role it can be important, in which case you have a 40 man raiding group, maybe even an entire guild to help acquire the ingredients necessary. Considering the guildwide effort raiding often is, having at least 40 people to make sure the important roles get buffed on important encounters, doesn't seem too unrealistic.

[Vectorus511]

"Battleground experience now properly scales with level. This does not affect those level 33 and below, but on the top end reduced BG experience by approximately 50% to be in line with questing exp perhour."
Great job, developers! You just murdered Low lvl BGs. Now, instead of instant BG procs, you're stuck in the queue for 30 minutes on SUNDAY. applause