Dirrector of PvP

[Kiritokun1]

Hello Don, as you may or may not know, the Feral Druid class has been overbuffed by the Turtle Devs and you inherited their changes. Their damage is insanely high and the ability called Berserk has no business being in Vanilla WoW, as it adds a Fear Cleanse to a class that already is immune to slows/snares/sheep.

When can we see some actual changes/nerfs to Feral? As it currently is, a Feral could probably 1v2 Mages or Shadow Priests of the same gear level and that's simply insane.

Sorry thats not true. Druids wont 1v2 mages, mages can slow so many times, druid would run out of mana from shapeshifting or simply get destroyed by the second mage thats not being chased. While warlocks who can charm, or hunters who can trap twice and do insane damage with pet, could 1v2 them.

You haven't seen Feral damage here then, you can kill a mage in 4 globals.

No thats not true. Druid would need to crit Ravage, that would at most remove mage's shield, but thats RNG, he can then insta blink or freeze. Druid can do burst damage after he applies pounce, rake and rip, to get 3 bleeds on target, which initially doesnt do much damage. If druid uses Berserk thats another gcd. Only after that druid can start to Claw which has 90% higher dmaage thanks to 3 bleeds. So before druid can prepare all of these on mage, he can escape in so many ways, blink, freeze, CoC, also has shield that slows down. Cancel all his CDs and do this again. In the meantime using rank one frostbolts, that cost much less than shapeshifting. While druid can only charge him once with bear to shorten distance. Mage will apply two shields (ice barriers) after each other so druid cannot burst him so quickly down. While second mage can free cast since druid isnt like a warlock or druid who can CC one player for longer time and dps other. I saw this many times in BGs or duels and even played one. And I didnt even start to say that mage in the meantime loses rake since its such a short dot, and rip as well since you apply it with max one or two combo points. So druid would need to apply them again, or use Claw with 60% less damage. The two mages would need to be noobs or heavily outgeared by druid to be able to 1v2. You probably haven't seen good mages then.

[Therealvda]

Sorry thats not true. Druids wont 1v2 mages, mages can slow so many times, druid would run out of mana from shapeshifting or simply get destroyed by the second mage thats not being chased. While warlocks who can charm, or hunters who can trap twice and do insane damage with pet, could 1v2 them.

You haven't seen Feral damage here then, you can kill a mage in 4 globals.

No thats not true. Druid would need to crit Ravage, that would at most remove mage's shield, but thats RNG, he can then insta blink or freeze. Druid can do burst damage after he applies pounce, rake and rip, to get 3 bleeds on target, which initially doesnt do much damage. If druid uses Berserk thats another gcd. Only after that druid can start to Claw which has 90% higher dmaage thanks to 3 bleeds. So before druid can prepare all of these on mage, he can escape in so many ways, blink, freeze, CoC, also has shield that slows down. Cancel all his CDs and do this again. In the meantime using rank one frostbolts, that cost much less than shapeshifting. While druid can only charge him once with bear to shorten distance. Mage will apply two shields (ice barriers) after each other so druid cannot burst him so quickly down. While second mage can free cast since druid isnt like a warlock or druid who can CC one player for longer time and dps other. I saw this many times in BGs or duels and even played one. And I didnt even start to say that mage in the meantime loses rake since its such a short dot, and rip as well since you apply it with max one or two combo points. So druid would need to apply them again, or use Claw with 60% less damage. The two mages would need to be noobs or heavily outgeared by druid to be able to 1v2. You probably haven't seen good mages then.

Mate I'm not interested in your wall of text I'm interested in the real gameplay that happens here. Feral is busted. It needs to be nerfed. Right now it feels like a hero class. The Devs gave them Fear cleanse which is a WOTLK ability that they really didn't need. They have way too much damage and the fear cleanse is bullshit.

[Kiritokun1]

You haven't seen Feral damage here then, you can kill a mage in 4 globals.

No thats not true. Druid would need to crit Ravage, that would at most remove mage's shield, but thats RNG, he can then insta blink or freeze. Druid can do burst damage after he applies pounce, rake and rip, to get 3 bleeds on target, which initially doesnt do much damage. If druid uses Berserk thats another gcd. Only after that druid can start to Claw which has 90% higher dmaage thanks to 3 bleeds. So before druid can prepare all of these on mage, he can escape in so many ways, blink, freeze, CoC, also has shield that slows down. Cancel all his CDs and do this again. In the meantime using rank one frostbolts, that cost much less than shapeshifting. While druid can only charge him once with bear to shorten distance. Mage will apply two shields (ice barriers) after each other so druid cannot burst him so quickly down. While second mage can free cast since druid isnt like a warlock or druid who can CC one player for longer time and dps other. I saw this many times in BGs or duels and even played one. And I didnt even start to say that mage in the meantime loses rake since its such a short dot, and rip as well since you apply it with max one or two combo points. So druid would need to apply them again, or use Claw with 60% less damage. The two mages would need to be noobs or heavily outgeared by druid to be able to 1v2. You probably haven't seen good mages then.

Mate I'm not interested in your wall of text I'm interested in the real gameplay that happens here. Feral is busted. It needs to be nerfed. Right now it feels like a hero class. The Devs gave them Fear cleanse which is a WOTLK ability that they really didn't need. They have way too much damage and the fear cleanse is bullshit.

Wall of text. Its really sad people in this age can't read arguments. Really immature. You just claim but provide no arguments. You have only theories and feelings but no solid ground. No reason to argue with you more.

[Therealvda]

No thats not true. Druid would need to crit Ravage, that would at most remove mage's shield, but thats RNG, he can then insta blink or freeze. Druid can do burst damage after he applies pounce, rake and rip, to get 3 bleeds on target, which initially doesnt do much damage. If druid uses Berserk thats another gcd. Only after that druid can start to Claw which has 90% higher dmaage thanks to 3 bleeds. So before druid can prepare all of these on mage, he can escape in so many ways, blink, freeze, CoC, also has shield that slows down. Cancel all his CDs and do this again. In the meantime using rank one frostbolts, that cost much less than shapeshifting. While druid can only charge him once with bear to shorten distance. Mage will apply two shields (ice barriers) after each other so druid cannot burst him so quickly down. While second mage can free cast since druid isnt like a warlock or druid who can CC one player for longer time and dps other. I saw this many times in BGs or duels and even played one. And I didnt even start to say that mage in the meantime loses rake since its such a short dot, and rip as well since you apply it with max one or two combo points. So druid would need to apply them again, or use Claw with 60% less damage. The two mages would need to be noobs or heavily outgeared by druid to be able to 1v2. You probably haven't seen good mages then.

Mate I'm not interested in your wall of text I'm interested in the real gameplay that happens here. Feral is busted. It needs to be nerfed. Right now it feels like a hero class. The Devs gave them Fear cleanse which is a WOTLK ability that they really didn't need. They have way too much damage and the fear cleanse is bullshit.

Wall of text. Its really sad people in this age can't read arguments. Really immature. You just claim but provide no arguments. You have only theories and feelings but no solid ground. No reason to argue with you more.

There's nothing to argue, you're posting dumb shit instead of playing the game and opening your eyes. Feral has immense damage and was given fear cleanse for no reason. They're broken. Most of the server agrees. The only people defending it are Feral players or those who premade with Ferals and directly benefit from how broken they are by getting easy ranks/gear.

Feral is broken. Your mental gymnastics are irrelevant.

[Holydruid]

No, no class in WoW should ever 1v2 another class. You are defending atrocious balance.

Also Shadow Priest is meant to counter Feral, but the changes here turned that on its head because Feral received a Fear cleanse and double damage for no reason.

If thats the case.. let nerf warlocks, paladins, shamans and hunters to while we are it... as they can 1v2 easily to.

No, they can't.

sounds more like a skill issue your trying to hide, then actually balance issues

[Kiritokun1]

Mate I'm not interested in your wall of text I'm interested in the real gameplay that happens here. Feral is busted. It needs to be nerfed. Right now it feels like a hero class. The Devs gave them Fear cleanse which is a WOTLK ability that they really didn't need. They have way too much damage and the fear cleanse is bullshit.

Wall of text. Its really sad people in this age can't read arguments. Really immature. You just claim but provide no arguments. You have only theories and feelings but no solid ground. No reason to argue with you more.

There's nothing to argue, you're posting dumb shit instead of playing the game and opening your eyes. Feral has immense damage and was given fear cleanse for no reason. They're broken. Most of the server agrees. The only people defending it are Feral players or those who premade with Ferals and directly benefit from how broken they are by getting easy ranks/gear.

Feral is broken. Your mental gymnastics are irrelevant.

Be fair and tell me your arguments why I post dumb shit. Refute what I said. Since saying 'theres nothing to argue, they are broken', are just empty words. All I said is true and and if you dont understand it you are just dumb or ignorant. Show me a clip how druid can 1v2 mages with similar gear, otherwise you are just posting baseless shit. Its just your skill issue if you dont know how two mages could win against current feral druid.

Currently only WSGs and ABs are played from available BGs, and I agree druid is the best class in WSG as a flag carrier, but thats been known for ages. You are probably just raging since half of BGs are mostly decided by good druids. Or you are just mad cause ferals own you and with your skill issue you just can't do anything about it. Players complain about lot of classes that need nerfs: shamans, paladins, hunters, druids and warlocks. You just pointed out one thats on people nerves, and worst of all, just pouring out your feelings instead of real arguments.

[Therealvda]

If thats the case.. let nerf warlocks, paladins, shamans and hunters to while we are it... as they can 1v2 easily to.

No, they can't.

sounds more like a skill issue your trying to hide, then actually balance issues

Druid player defends broken Druid spec, shocker.

Go away troll.

[Therealvda]

Wall of text. Its really sad people in this age can't read arguments. Really immature. You just claim but provide no arguments. You have only theories and feelings but no solid ground. No reason to argue with you more.

There's nothing to argue, you're posting dumb shit instead of playing the game and opening your eyes. Feral has immense damage and was given fear cleanse for no reason. They're broken. Most of the server agrees. The only people defending it are Feral players or those who premade with Ferals and directly benefit from how broken they are by getting easy ranks/gear.

Feral is broken. Your mental gymnastics are irrelevant.

Be fair and tell me your arguments why I post dumb shit. Refute what I said. Since saying 'theres nothing to argue, they are broken', are just empty words. All I said is true and and if you dont understand it you are just dumb or ignorant. Show me a clip how druid can 1v2 mages with similar gear, otherwise you are just posting baseless shit. Its just your skill issue if you dont know how two mages could win against current feral druid.

Currently only WSGs and ABs are played from available BGs, and I agree druid is the best class in WSG as a flag carrier, but thats been known for ages. You are probably just raging since half of BGs are mostly decided by good druids. Or you are just mad cause ferals own you and with your skill issue you just can't do anything about it. Players complain about lot of classes that need nerfs: shamans, paladins, hunters, druids and warlocks. You just pointed out one thats on people nerves, and worst of all, just pouring out your feelings instead of real arguments.

I wrote quite clearly what the problem is: Ferals received a Fear Cleanse they should not have, which makes them way too good against CC, as they already can cleanse slows/roots and are immune to poly.

Additionally, their damage is insane considering they are the fastest class in the game and pretty much immune to CC.

[Mnepoh]

he is right tho about druids, druids are bonkers in pvp here, they doing too much damage for all the utility they got, you cant root/slow them, they tanky as fuck, they heal, have stealth, combat charge, run fast, can cc etc. That would be ok, but ferals just ripping people in few secs, this needs to be considered by admins

[Therealvda]

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