Nerf shamans in PVP

[Duraluminium]

Another example of 4/8 shamans on WSG.
They go in those tanky builds so they receive close to 0 damage, they heal themselves, and when they come in a group there is nothing you can do vs them.
Nerf shamans if you want alliance to play bgs on the PVP server!

bro you literally a retard, its the same on alliance side with paladins, what a surprise

It's not on the PVP server. And it has nothing to do with the case of shamans being OP in PVP.

Tbh when one reads these forums, the connection between blunt insults from the start and the poster's lack of intelligence becomes so obvious

[Dzielkus]

Another example of 4/8 shamans on WSG.
They go in those tanky builds so they receive close to 0 damage, they heal themselves, and when they come in a group there is nothing you can do vs them.
Nerf shamans if you want alliance to play bgs on the PVP server!

bro you literally a retard, its the same on alliance side with paladins, what a surprise

It's not on the PVP server. And it has nothing to do with the case of shamans being OP in PVP.

Tbh when one reads these forums, the connection between blunt insults from the start and the poster's lack of intelligence becomes so obvious

You're obviously not totally mentally well.
PvP is happening on both PvE and PvP realms. Its just xfaction or not, and ofc your realm has 10x less population.
It doesnt matter who play where, the facts are that pala/war/hunt/rogue are overrepresented due to being stronger than other classes.
Your problem with 1.18.1 nerfed shamans is skill issue (pre 1.18 fire enh/ele shaman was fcking op).
Whatever class you will pick if you met 5x warriors charging on you, 5 mages spamming AM on you, 5 shamans shocking you - impression will be the same. Fighting agaist such comp wont be even - you're being deleted by focus of few ppl on your char.
PvP realm suffers from low population not shamans being op.

[Duraluminium]

bro you literally a retard, its the same on alliance side with paladins, what a surprise

It's not on the PVP server. And it has nothing to do with the case of shamans being OP in PVP.

Tbh when one reads these forums, the connection between blunt insults from the start and the poster's lack of intelligence becomes so obvious

You're obviously not totally mentally well.
PvP is happening on both PvE and PvP realms. Its just xfaction or not, and ofc your realm has 10x less population.
It doesnt matter who play where, the facts are that pala/war/hunt/rogue are overrepresented due to being stronger than other classes.
Your problem with 1.18.1 nerfed shamans is skill issue (pre 1.18 fire enh/ele shaman was fcking op).
Whatever class you will pick if you met 5x warriors charging on you, 5 mages spamming AM on you, 5 shamans shocking you - impression will be the same. Fighting agaist such comp wont be even - you're being deleted by focus of few ppl on your char.
PvP realm suffers from low population not shamans being op.

You can continue repeating as many times as you wish that you disregard all the facts people post here about shamans being OP, but it does not matter.
Also you should abstain from insults. It does not make your position stronger, but only shows that it's weak.

There is a fact that shamans in shocker/tank build are OP: unkillable 1v1 for any melee class, very hard to kill by other classes (except maybe ferals) cause shamans receive so little damage and they do a lot of it with those shocks. And when they reach you, it's over, cause they just burst you down in melee in seconds.
Multiple people wrote about this situation in the thread, many more did on discord.

Nerf shamans in PVP!

[Duraluminium]

4/7 shamans on WSG, they just turtle so alliance cannot win, and they wait until players start leaving. Nerf shamans in PVP!

[Oallalalasdasda]

4/7 shamans on WSG, they just turtle so alliance cannot win, and they wait until players start leaving. Nerf shamans in PVP!

Weird, I barely see any shamans in my games at 60, especially in comparison to Paladins, Warriors and Hunters. Those are always 80% of every battlegrounds.

[Yotca]

4/7 shamans on WSG, they just turtle so alliance cannot win, and they wait until players start leaving. Nerf shamans in PVP!

Weird, I barely see any shamans in my games at 60, especially in comparison to Paladins, Warriors and Hunters. Those are always 80% of every battlegrounds.

You're on the PvE server I assume: 17-18% paladins & 8-9% shamans there vs 8% paladins & 10% shamans on PvP server.

I have no qualms with restoration or elemental shamans and I doubt anyone else does — if you let them cast nukes or heals it's no different from a mage/warlock or priest/paladin — it's this shock tank bullshit that needs to go ; they can't simultaneously be impossible to kill and deal damage that puts most classes to shame.

Just imagine prot warriors dealing pre-nerf TBC 6k damage shield slams... same shit except shamans have ranged slow, instant ranged spell interrupt, single target spell absorb totem, anti-fear AoE etc — damage levels were nerfed for protection warriors in TBC because they were the top arena spec in 3v3 for a couple weeks thanks to insane scaling on shield slam combined with shield bash 6s silence, concussive blow 5s stun, spell reflection and that fact that any melee attempt at damage was met with 45% chance 3s stun on revenge — in this case it's crazy damage from lightning shield.

This is very much the same "Why is the tank deleting me?" kind of moment and needs to be addressed.

They already have that annoying instant multiple totem drop that should be on a 10m cooldown or a talent point somewhere.

[Gildark]

Long time twow player here chiming in.

For all the "but but but Paladins" are delusion. The simple fact is the Paladin is the most popular fantasy class by a mile and is why they're played so devoutly. Besides that fact, they are actually completely balanced in pvp after receiving numerous nerfs already. The issue a lot of people run into is them being a noob trap. You can easily kite a paladin making them near useless if you know how to actually play the game. Unfortunately inexperienced players tend to think they should be able to run straight into them then cry that they're overpowered.

Now that's out of the way, yes, the right build of shaman for pvp is completely out of tune. The only people remotely defending them just don't want their class to be rightfully nerfed. The way I see it they need to choose, massive global burst damage or excessive tankiness. It was the same exact issues we had on Nord, until one of those two gets retouched they will remain as the most dominate class in pvp. From my years of turtle experience it'll only become worse and worse as well with the release of phases, making it where having 2-3 shamans on a team that can completely run the game by themselves with no counterplay.

[Therealvda]

Long time twow player here chiming in.

For all the "but but but Paladins" are delusion. The simple fact is the Paladin is the most popular fantasy class by a mile and is why they're played so devoutly. Besides that fact, they are actually completely balanced in pvp after receiving numerous nerfs already. The issue a lot of people run into is them being a noob trap. You can easily kite a paladin making them near useless if you know how to actually play the game. Unfortunately inexperienced players tend to think they should be able to run straight into them then cry that they're overpowered.

Now that's out of the way, yes, the right build of shaman for pvp is completely out of tune. The only people remoting defending them just don't want their class to be rightfully nerfed. The way I see it they need to choose, massive global burst damage or excessive tankiness. It was the same exact issues we had on Nord, until one of those two gets retouched they will remain as the most dominate class in pvp. From my years of turtle experience it'll only become worse and worse as well with the release of phases, making it where having 2-3 shamans on a team that can completely run the game by themselves with no counterplay.

https://ironforge.pro/era/server/Whitemane/

Except on Blizzard's Classic servers they are NOT the most popular class, not even close. They are here because they got giga buffed and now every noob can play them and win through sheer overtuning/overloading of their kit.

[Gildark]

Except on Blizzard's Classic servers they are NOT the most popular class, not even close. They are here because they got giga buffed and now every noob can play them and win through sheer overtuning/overloading of their kit.

Arguing that classic to classic+ servers are in anyway comparable is intellectually dishonest and frankly a reach. The single reason they're less played on vanilla is because paladins are literally pigeon holed into healer to have any meaningful gameplay. They are popular here because the class fantasy is actually playable.

[Therealvda]

Except on Blizzard's Classic servers they are NOT the most popular class, not even close. They are here because they got giga buffed and now every noob can play them and win through sheer overtuning/overloading of their kit.

Arguing that classic to classic+ servers are in anyway comparable is intellectually dishonest and frankly a reach. The single reason they're less played on vanilla is because paladins are literally pigeon holed into healer to have any meaningful gameplay. They are popular here because the class fantasy is actually playable.

Ret Paladin works just fine while leveling and in PVP in Classic.

Arguing that classic to classic+ servers are in anyway comparable

That's my entire argument, genius. They're super popular in Classic+ because Classic+ devs usually vibe buff and have no idea what they're doing and end up making Paladins OP as fuck.