Nerf shamans in PVP

[Gildark]

Ret Paladin works just fine while leveling and in PVP in Classic.

That's my entire argument, genius. They're super popular in Classic+ because Classic+ devs usually vibe buff and have no idea what they're doing and end up making Paladins OP as fuck.

The majority of people that play this game don't singularly think about playing a specific class solely for their leveling experience, it's for the endgame. As for PvP in vanilla it's largely either a reckoning gimmick or you run around with a flurry axe or edward the odd. Either or not very synonymous when someone envisions a stalwart knight.

If that's your entire argument then it's flawed and should be reevaluated. What it sounds like to me is you fell for the noob trap and don't know how to cope.

[Therealvda]

Ret Paladin works just fine while leveling and in PVP in Classic.

That's my entire argument, genius. They're super popular in Classic+ because Classic+ devs usually vibe buff and have no idea what they're doing and end up making Paladins OP as fuck.

The majority of people that play this game don't singularly think about playing a specific class solely for their leveling experience, it's for the endgame. As for PvP in vanilla it's largely either a reckoning gimmick or you run around with a flurry axe or edward the odd. Either or not very synonymous when someone invasions a stalwart knight.

If that's your entire argument then it's flawed and should be reevaluated. What is sounds like to me is you fell for the noob trap and don't know how to cope.

You have no argument whatsoever, you're just saying " You're wrong because I say so " even after I presented you solid proof that Paladins aren't actually that popular in the real game.

It's pretty clear that they are popular here because they were overbuffed. You not being able to deal with that fact is your own cross to bear. Have a nice day.

[Gildark]

You have no argument whatsoever, you're just saying " You're wrong because I say so " even after I presented you solid proof that Paladins aren't actually that popular in the real game.

It's pretty clear that they are popular here because they were overbuffed. You not being able to deal with that fact is your own cross to bear. Have a nice day.

Which I addressed and completely dismantled, I don't know what else to say if you willingly choose to be deaf and blind.

Have a good one :0

[Rommius187]

the team with more shamans win. removes the fun completely, they are insanely overpowered, 7-8 shamans per team usually. too tanky, too high damage, decent heal too, water walking in AB. definitely has to be nerfed

[Dzielkus]

the team with more shamans win. removes the fun completely, they are insanely overpowered, 7-8 shamans per team usually. too tanky, too high damage, decent heal too, water walking in AB. definitely has to be nerfed

Speaking of "taking fun" have you played AB vs half of paladins team?
Water walking can be gained from elixir.

[Duraluminium]

the team with more shamans win. removes the fun completely, they are insanely overpowered, 7-8 shamans per team usually. too tanky, too high damage, decent heal too, water walking in AB. definitely has to be nerfed

Speaking of "taking fun" have you played AB vs half of paladins team?
Water walking can be gained from elixir.

Make a separate thread for paladins discussion

[Knifewrench]

As old shaman main i can say alot of resto tankyness issues comes from the fact there is basicly no reward for putting more then 21 talents in the resto tree. Also 1.17 reverb change made the rockbiter nerf kinda invalid in 1.18 patch because 13/17/21 was already a better alround pvp spec. I think resto shaman like paladin should be rewarded in pvp for going deep into the resto tree. Its a rough thing to balance tho because pve tanks cant take another hit to their tankyness. Same goes for shocksham who goes more in tank tree then ele tree. This can be fixxed by "forcing" em to go deeper into the elemental tree so they cant play shocktank sham without giving up dmg. Tdlr i do think holydin needs a nerf aswell when both these shaman specs would be adressed.

[Grimm]

Just another vote for a shaman rebalance here. I dont need them to be 'Nerfed', i need there to be some trade offs like very other class. As a druid if I want to be tanky and have an instant heal for max survival, my dmg output declines a lot.

As it stands a shaman in prot / shock spec can both do insane burst, is hard to kill, and provides a huge amount of utility in slows, totems, off heals etc.

As a druid built for mobility / healing / escape, in full pvpv gear, it takes every trick / cd i have to get away from a shaman. In the same BG, ill be spam healing the flag carrier full pvp gear druid with no stacks, and i cant keep up with two shamans nuking him. Its not even close. They dont even bother to interrupt my healing....they dont need to.

Could they have spec choices that either make them tanky, or make them bursty, but not both at the same time please.

[Niyu]

shaman is fine. there's druid, paladin, warlock and priest also.

unless ther all broken. which they are. other classes as well, but to a lesser degree.

i only have one gripe with shaman. lightning shield proccing on ranged attacks. like wtf.

my list of shaman gripe will increase when they cast 4k bolts, heal like a god and tank 3 opponents as if it was just 1 foe who's already at a disadvantage.

you cry so hard this early. lol. you ain't seen nothing yet. and pvp was already effectively dead because of it. its become PVE honor grind.

bring the player not the class design. where do this design belong?

[Dzielkus]

I'd say, your "tank-shock" cries comes from fact that max shock ranks scales with ap - it was "most recent" turtle change. This melee pvp set gives quite amount of ap for shaman.
Looking at enh dps and pvp issues this scaling shall be removed.

Nevertheless paladins needs longer forberance debuff like now, pvp is completly unplayable with 16% of paladins (active 60) on n'zoth.
Also mass dispell for priest would make a great change with this (lack) of balance.