Dirrector of PvP

[Brwcht]

There is literally 2 or 3 Ferals on Horde that play BG's. (and semi-active, just on the side)
Ally has like 2 ferals max, that play BG's, again semi-active on the side.
(on the pvp server that is)
While ally is filled with paladins.. legit 40-60% of every BG is fucking holy or prot pally, whom are unkillable fuckers with high HP, high armor, insta holy shock with heals, almost no mana cost. Maybe complain about that bullshit once

Has it ever come to you that maybe its a skill issue?
Because the things you are spewing are utter nonsense..

1.5k hits with a claw? Killing people in 2 GCD's with the weakest ability we have?
Maybe a Ravage or a Ferocious Bite with 5 CP can crit like 1.5k . IF WE GET LUCKY with a crit... ON A CLOTH USER
But ravage can only be done out of stealth, so we got to choose, either stun + bleed, or high burst.
Versus plate users, its even worse. Maybe 150-200 dmg crits with a claw. And 600-700 with a crit on 5 CP bite

Besides that.. as a cat, we have the same armor as a clothie does. Rogue blow cats up in legit 3-4 seconds.
So does almost every burst caster.
In bear we are tanky with high armor... but deal almost no damage... and is very weak to casters.
Our "CC immume" as you call it, only works for slows and roots. And we use 400 mana per time we use it. We can use it max 5-7 times or something like that and we OOM and get kited around like its nothing

Next to that.. Ferals fall off the more gear is people get. Which is why they were never a trouble on TWOW, its also THE SAME balancing as TWOW had in 1.18..... where no one has issues with ferals.
Because we dont use actual weapons and get much stronger, compared to other classes.

Right now, you look like a todler throwing around stuff and bullshit, and rolling on the floor crying because he doesnt get what he wants. And funny enough... ITS ONLY YOU.. vs a lot of other people.

Also funny how you ONLY mention fear. That shows you play either warlock or shadow priest. Our Berserk has 5minute CD to break. PvP trinket, 3minute CD.. your fear?? Much lower then that.

Good post on all points, I can vouch for all, particularly how feral falls off the more geared people are. On Nordanaar, ferals were a very rare sight. The point about holy paladins is also true, I would know because I've played one on Turtle since 2024. It's literally some guy who is crying because there's been some changes to his game from 20 years ago and now he has to change his strategy and adapt accordingly. Worse, he has to learn, which means his previous PvP macro-knowledge doesn't account for much. He's in stage 1 of denial.

It’s just nonsense. Currently, PvP sets with good stamina stats are available. PvP players have 4,000–5,000 HP. In top‑tier PvP items, they will have 6,000 +/-. The armor rating on cloth items is 90 (the same as in PvE — hello to the TW developers). Later, this value won’t increase enough to reduce physical damage by about 15%, as happens in later versions of WoW. The druid’s stats will increase, and I’m sure that the meager armor bonuses on cloth‑PvP items won’t compensate for it. Later, feral druids will become even stronger.

[Brwcht]

Adapt and accept that this is not 1.12 or move on. Stop comparing your 20 year old experiences to Octo.

There is no such thing as adapting to bad tuning. Stop defending bad balance.

Go back to whatever stock 1.12 server you came from.

Do you think the forum was created specifically for you and people like you, that when people start posting messages here, you’ll come along and start telling everyone who should go where? Do you think the administration opened the forum for you?

[Knifewrench]

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.

He can remove Fear twice? Oh no! The game is broken!

So what kind of PVP are you doing? Youre likely in BG pugs and you arent getting supported by team mates or you are running off by yourself.

PVP balance was never designed to make every class and specialization balanced in a 1v1 scenario. Yes, some classes will give you a hard time. Theres not much else to say. In the majority of PVP content you have team mates to complement your weaknesses. Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it. In BG pugs that cannot always be relied on as most people play as individuals rather than a team. That doesn't merit a class rebalance though.

Shadow stomps Feral in proper Vanilla PvP.

Feral stomps Shadow on Octo.

That means Feral received so many buffs that they are now the hard counter to their original hard counter.

It's absolute nonsense.

Stop being a clown.

Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it

Part of being good at PvP is knowing when something is overtuned/overbuffed. Feral is. The whole server is saying it except a few people like Holydruid who plays Feral.

Holydruid isnt a good feral pvper+ feral is actually fine atm. They basicly dont have the interupts+ dps to kill healers atm. Wtb ferals that press decurse so they actually usefull

[Brwcht]

Is it possible to somehow assign an assistant to the PvP Director so that he can answer our silly questions on the forum?

[Brwcht]

The thing is, I don’t speak English, so I don’t participate in the weekly FAQ sessions with the developers. Does anyone go there? Is there any information about PvP changes and their timelines?
I’m afraid that only those who are only interested in new mounts, how to change the names of the horde’s ranks, and how to give a shaman the ability to wear plate armor go there.

[Therealvda]

He can remove Fear twice? Oh no! The game is broken!

So what kind of PVP are you doing? Youre likely in BG pugs and you arent getting supported by team mates or you are running off by yourself.

PVP balance was never designed to make every class and specialization balanced in a 1v1 scenario. Yes, some classes will give you a hard time. Theres not much else to say. In the majority of PVP content you have team mates to complement your weaknesses. Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it. In BG pugs that cannot always be relied on as most people play as individuals rather than a team. That doesn't merit a class rebalance though.

Shadow stomps Feral in proper Vanilla PvP.

Feral stomps Shadow on Octo.

That means Feral received so many buffs that they are now the hard counter to their original hard counter.

It's absolute nonsense.

Stop being a clown.

Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it

Part of being good at PvP is knowing when something is overtuned/overbuffed. Feral is. The whole server is saying it except a few people like Holydruid who plays Feral.

Holydruid isnt a good feral pvper+ feral is actually fine atm. They basicly dont have the interupts+ dps to kill healers atm. Wtb ferals that press decurse so they actually usefull

Feral is doing roughly 700-1000 damage per second against Cloth. At that DPS as a healer you need to be casting continuously to deal with that damage and that's just -ONE- player. If ONE player can outDPS a healer something is wrong.

Anyway the healer will go OOM within 15 seconds of fulltime casting.

[Defiant]

Feral is doing roughly 700-1000 damage per second against Cloth. At that DPS as a healer you need to be casting continuously to deal with that damage and that's just -ONE- player. If ONE player can outDPS a healer something is wrong.

Anyway the healer will go OOM within 15 seconds of fulltime casting.

Do you still not understand that PVP isn't based on 1v1 balance? Why is your healer being abandoned by his team? Why is he positioning himself where he can't be helped or assisted by his team mates? Have you ever actually done any level of competitive PVP? Genuinely, are you like just learning the basic concepts by me teaching you on the forums? It feels that way mate.

All of your complaints are weird hypotheticals taken in a vacuum. Yes, if your team is abandoning your healers they will die. Healers can 100% and have always 100% been able to be "out DPS" by one player if they're just left alone and ignored by their team. Again, legitimately, have you ever engaged in any level of competitive PVP? Because from what you've said, it doesn't sound like you have.

Stop spamming the damn announcements because you're getting killed in BGs. It's pathetic.

[Knifewrench]

Shadow stomps Feral in proper Vanilla PvP.

Feral stomps Shadow on Octo.

That means Feral received so many buffs that they are now the hard counter to their original hard counter.

It's absolute nonsense.

Stop being a clown.



Part of being good at PvP is knowing when something is overtuned/overbuffed. Feral is. The whole server is saying it except a few people like Holydruid who plays Feral.

Holydruid isnt a good feral pvper+ feral is actually fine atm. They basicly dont have the interupts+ dps to kill healers atm. Wtb ferals that press decurse so they actually usefull

Feral is doing roughly 700-1000 damage per second against Cloth. At that DPS as a healer you need to be casting continuously to deal with that damage and that's just -ONE- player. If ONE player can outDPS a healer something is wrong.

Anyway the healer will go OOM within 15 seconds of fulltime casting.

And a rogue just recks em and they cant cast while a rogue is on em

[Brwcht]

In PvP to the blue cloth set we have approximately 700 damage with a backstab to the back, and 400 damage with an ability — this ability is somehow enhanced, because the damage isn’t always the same. But you can’t say it’s random; the druid strikes hard when he needs to. It’s impossible to use Fear on a druid — everything is interrupting by auto‑attacks and abilities, and the cast time is 10 seconds. That’s why mages and warlocks urgently need bonuses to protection against cast interruption on their gloves. A feral druid who heals at 40% HP cannot be killed by a caster. It’s a good thing that many druids are idiots and forgot to learn or put the healing spells on the spell bar.

[Don]

There won't be any major class or gear balance changes until Phase 7 (K40). There might be some minor fixes for abilities and talents that aren't working correctly, but that's about it