Please dont balance classes baselines for PvP reasons

[Kairion]

We play on a server where, once more gear becomes available, paladins can pull all the undead mobs in the streets of Stratholme in as little as two pulls — the only thing stopping them from doing it all in one pull is the gate.

Once gear becomes available, we'll have warlock pets alone out-DPSing dedicated DPS specs.

Everyone who knows how to make money already has their survival hunter ready to farm the panthers once ZG comes out.

Meanwhile, we have encounters such as Loatheb, which are essentially without a mechanic, since the entire difficulty of the fight is completely circumvented by new abilities simply ignoring the downside. Other fights such as Sapphiron, Patchwerk, and Gothik pose no challenge, since they rely heavily on numbers to be challenging. Numbers you can reach in blue gear thanks to the plethora of class buffs and extra consumables.

Stop pretending the game is balanced for PvE either. It isn't. It's "balanced" for a very narrow slice of sweaty parse nerds who can't deal with mechanics any other way than out-DPSing them.

If we actually had the classes balanced for PvE, I'd be inclined to agree that PvP can take second priority. But PvE isn't balanced in 99% of scenarios either, so we might as well at least consider PvP for balance changes.

Shaman survivability, for instance, is not an issue in PvP by itself. What is an issue is how high their damage output is while they're so survivable. By making Tank variants of Shaman deal less damage, but maybe compensate with some extra Threatmodifier, he would still perform his role in PvE.
There are many avenues that help balance for PvP without making the class unable to perform its main function in PvE. But historically, TWoW has never even tried.

[Nseternal]

It's not even remotely close to half the game. It's certainly not half the community, that much is for sure. It's like what, one tenth of the community? And that one tenth of the community is the loudest, angriest, and most obnoxious part of the community?

that's because the biggest bugs right now revolve around pvp balance. pve don't have much if anything to complain about.

I'm so done with the "PVP community" here. They're toxic and they need to be called out for it.

then don't enage with pvp threads

[Therealvda]

Just so everyone is clear, this is the guy spamming the Director of PVP announcement thread demanding that Feral Druids get nerfed because they kill him as a Shadow Priest. He's genuinely spamming the forums complaining about a class that I've literally never once heard anyone claim is overpowered in PVP on Turtle. This guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, admits he has never engaged in PVE, and wants to change the game every time he gets killed. People like this should just be laughed at.

Now that I know you're a player from the PvE server I'm wondering why a dog like you is even barking in my direction. It's clear you're shit at the game, else you'd be on the PvP server. I don't want to replace your absentee daddy, stop quoting me.

Know your place, stick to your tank and spank mechanics and 2 button rotations and enjoy your 80 IQ PvE.

[Defiant]

Just so everyone is clear, this is the guy spamming the Director of PVP announcement thread demanding that Feral Druids get nerfed because they kill him as a Shadow Priest. He's genuinely spamming the forums complaining about a class that I've literally never once heard anyone claim is overpowered in PVP on Turtle. This guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, admits he has never engaged in PVE, and wants to change the game every time he gets killed. People like this should just be laughed at.

Now that I know you're a player from the PvE server I'm wondering why a dog like you is even barking in my direction. It's clear you're shit at the game, else you'd be on the PvP server. I don't want to replace your absentee daddy, stop quoting me.

Know your place, stick to your tank and spank mechanics and 2 button rotations and enjoy your 80 IQ PvE.

I engage in both varieties of content and can speak confidently on both and I will continue to call you lot out for your nonsense unless asked to stop by GMs. Just because you play on a PVP server doesnt mean you are good at PVP, by the way-- and based on your whining about Feral Druids you clearly arent good at it. Best of luck in your spam campaign.

[Redhotcc]

yeah. bm hunter should be easy fix, just dampening on pet. shaman tank is a bit harder but you can probably target things that arent related to threat or survivability. for example reducing damage dealt but increasing threat in its tank stance. or reducing healing outside restoration tree like priest.

[Vex]

I legit dont know where you weirdos came from in last few years. Its called world of warcraft for reason. Its called warcraft for reason. It has pvp for a reason. The original RTS game is not a city builder its rts pvp game. World of warcraft is not sims, its not diablo where all you do is spin slot machine for item to drop. When you get gear, you pvp, thats the endgame until new grind for new gear arrives. OF COURSE you need to consider pvp heavily when making adjustments to classes.

[Yotca]

Can someone explain why despite the forums being split, we still have PvE folks coming onto our forums?

This isn't the General PvP forum for Octwow — Kestrel made it clear — this is the Y'Shaarj forum.

But very nice of you folks to attempt to treat us like second rate citizens in our own house.

[Kairion]

Can someone explain why despite the forums being split, we still have PvE folks coming onto our forums?

This isn't the General PvP forum for Octwow — Kestrel made it clear — this is the Y'Shaarj forum.

But very nice of you folks to attempt to treat us like second rate citizens in our own house.

This thread was created 2 days before the Split of the suggestion forum, and it was sorted to this subsection by mods, not the OP.

[Yotca]

Can someone explain why despite the forums being split, we still have PvE folks coming onto our forums?

This isn't the General PvP forum for Octwow — Kestrel made it clear — this is the Y'Shaarj forum.

But very nice of you folks to attempt to treat us like second rate citizens in our own house.

This thread was created 2 days before the Split of the suggestion forum, and it was sorted to this subsection by mods, not the OP.

Fair but we're still being treated like second rate citizens by many PvErs here. We genuinely shouldn't have the same balance as Y'Shaarj has no shamans/paladins and most of the game is balanced around having both.

Having a true distinction between servers would actually be more healthy to address the different issues we have.

[Knifewrench]

Can someone explain why despite the forums being split, we still have PvE folks coming onto our forums?

This isn't the General PvP forum for Octwow — Kestrel made it clear — this is the Y'Shaarj forum.

But very nice of you folks to attempt to treat us like second rate citizens in our own house.

This thread was created 2 days before the Split of the suggestion forum, and it was sorted to this subsection by mods, not the OP.

Ye and because placed it on pvps server forum its obvious they deem this thread for pvp server discussion not pve realm u can make a new thread there.