Why is there a 20k Honor Cap per week??????

[Blindtongue]

Holy fucking shit... seriously???

I dunno even where to start with this, who the hell thought this is a good idea and why exactly???

BG's finally started popping on PVP serv and to my surprise after 1 day of AB's im already at max honor for the week?? All kills now are dishonorable kills with 0 honor, mark turn ins also yield 0... excuse my language but what the fuck???????


You guys know the point of PVP is competitiveness, not participation?

So we are now punishing the top rankers so other bottom barrel feeders can catch up???? What the....

This makes 0 sense and is such anti thesis to the whole concept of PVP realm that i dunno even where to start... i assume the only reason its gated its because honor points = gear buying points so earning more then 20k a week will make it easy to stack em for upcoming pvp gear???

But even then you are punishing current players and disincentivizing their gameplay based on some arbitrary idea of gear progression balance in the future????

I dunno even where to start, 20k is so abysimally small like i used to pull 800k on TelAbim some weeks simply from amount i was playing, what am i supposed to do here exactly? Play for 1-2 days then take a break for 5 days simply cuz lets let others catch up???

this new pvp system is already non competative, there are no brackets meaning you just going vs your past weekend progression which kind of makes it boring tbh, whole fun of pvp ranking was to push hard each week to see who pushes the hardest as it made the scene feel alive and competative... now what...

all top pvpers gonna hit a brick wall in 2-3 days of playing tops once bg's start popping properly then what?

Will this be changed? If so - WHEN???

honestly 20k is a joke for any serious pvper, put it to 50k per week at least, if the concern is honor points for items make 10 honor point equal 1 item point not 1 for 1...

honestly as former r14 i will be ashamed if i reach r14 with this cap since there are no brackets so i assume i just have to hit 20k each week for max honor with no decay? thats crazy lol

i mean if everyone is ranking on their own pace that takes the whole competativness out of ranking anyway, ranks are just here to gate pvp gear then now?

this just feels super bad and akward, i wanna know the reasoning behind it at least

like i am sorry some people can't play as much as they want but no reason to punish people that can for it by limiting reach so the 1st group can catch up lol... so every player gonna be r14 in a year with this system as long as you outdo yourself every week? lol pathetic

please someone enlighten me im losing hope

[Darktifa]

this just feels super bad and akward, i wanna know the reasoning behind it at least

are u asking OctoDevs, why Turtle revamped ranking system?

[Knifewrench]

Holy fucking shit... seriously???

I dunno even where to start with this, who the hell thought this is a good idea and why exactly???

BG's finally started popping on PVP serv and to my surprise after 1 day of AB's im already at max honor for the week?? All kills now are dishonorable kills with 0 honor, mark turn ins also yield 0... excuse my language but what the fuck???????


You guys know the point of PVP is competitiveness, not participation?

So we are now punishing the top rankers so other bottom barrel feeders can catch up???? What the....

This makes 0 sense and is such anti thesis to the whole concept of PVP realm that i dunno even where to start... i assume the only reason its gated its because honor points = gear buying points so earning more then 20k a week will make it easy to stack em for upcoming pvp gear???

But even then you are punishing current players and disincentivizing their gameplay based on some arbitrary idea of gear progression balance in the future????

I dunno even where to start, 20k is so abysimally small like i used to pull 800k on TelAbim some weeks simply from amount i was playing, what am i supposed to do here exactly? Play for 1-2 days then take a break for 5 days simply cuz lets let others catch up???

this new pvp system is already non competative, there are no brackets meaning you just going vs your past weekend progression which kind of makes it boring tbh, whole fun of pvp ranking was to push hard each week to see who pushes the hardest as it made the scene feel alive and competative... now what...

all top pvpers gonna hit a brick wall in 2-3 days of playing tops once bg's start popping properly then what?

Will this be changed? If so - WHEN???

honestly 20k is a joke for any serious pvper, put it to 50k per week at least, if the concern is honor points for items make 10 honor point equal 1 item point not 1 for 1...

honestly as former r14 i will be ashamed if i reach r14 with this cap since there are no brackets so i assume i just have to hit 20k each week for max honor with no decay? thats crazy lol

i mean if everyone is ranking on their own pace that takes the whole competativness out of ranking anyway, ranks are just here to gate pvp gear then now?

this just feels super bad and akward, i wanna know the reasoning behind it at least

like i am sorry some people can't play as much as they want but no reason to punish people that can for it by limiting reach so the 1st group can catch up lol... so every player gonna be r14 in a year with this system as long as you outdo yourself every week? lol pathetic

please someone enlighten me im losing hope

U do realise new 20k isnt old 20k? But closer to 100-200k?, also there is rank decay and 20k/w doesnt beat r14 decay.

[Crackadia]

I will give you the most honest answer you can get.

Because after releasing 1.18.1, an absolutely massive content patch that added a bunch of zones, dungeons, raid content and reworked pvp system incl. new wpvp events, the project shut down.

Usually a massive content patch like this is followed by hotfixes and fine tuning.
This never happened cuz turtle closed.

Both the cn server and this one took 1.18.1 and rehosted it, but neither actually _finished_ 1.18.1.

The patch needs fine tuning, hotfixes, class balance fixes. Its not a finished product.

This is exactly why it boggles my mind reading Octo teams responses in the forum that they won't be touching class balance / content generally beside bug fixes.


The 20k cap is nonsense. If you run the numbers on how long youd need to farm to get full t3 pvp its like 60 weeks or more.

[Ahzari]

Holy fucking shit... seriously???

I dunno even where to start with this, who the hell thought this is a good idea and why exactly???

BG's finally started popping on PVP serv and to my surprise after 1 day of AB's im already at max honor for the week?? All kills now are dishonorable kills with 0 honor, mark turn ins also yield 0... excuse my language but what the fuck???????


You guys know the point of PVP is competitiveness, not participation?

So we are now punishing the top rankers so other bottom barrel feeders can catch up???? What the....

This makes 0 sense and is such anti thesis to the whole concept of PVP realm that i dunno even where to start... i assume the only reason its gated its because honor points = gear buying points so earning more then 20k a week will make it easy to stack em for upcoming pvp gear???

But even then you are punishing current players and disincentivizing their gameplay based on some arbitrary idea of gear progression balance in the future????

I dunno even where to start, 20k is so abysimally small like i used to pull 800k on TelAbim some weeks simply from amount i was playing, what am i supposed to do here exactly? Play for 1-2 days then take a break for 5 days simply cuz lets let others catch up???

this new pvp system is already non competative, there are no brackets meaning you just going vs your past weekend progression which kind of makes it boring tbh, whole fun of pvp ranking was to push hard each week to see who pushes the hardest as it made the scene feel alive and competative... now what...

all top pvpers gonna hit a brick wall in 2-3 days of playing tops once bg's start popping properly then what?

Will this be changed? If so - WHEN???

honestly 20k is a joke for any serious pvper, put it to 50k per week at least, if the concern is honor points for items make 10 honor point equal 1 item point not 1 for 1...

honestly as former r14 i will be ashamed if i reach r14 with this cap since there are no brackets so i assume i just have to hit 20k each week for max honor with no decay? thats crazy lol

i mean if everyone is ranking on their own pace that takes the whole competativness out of ranking anyway, ranks are just here to gate pvp gear then now?

this just feels super bad and akward, i wanna know the reasoning behind it at least

like i am sorry some people can't play as much as they want but no reason to punish people that can for it by limiting reach so the 1st group can catch up lol... so every player gonna be r14 in a year with this system as long as you outdo yourself every week? lol pathetic

please someone enlighten me im losing hope

a lot of classes dont even want to upgrade the Arathi pvp set to T1 PVP Set anf for sure not the blue one because they changed the sets where boots or hands dont give a bonus anymore its included in the set bonus lol and hit was removed on blue sets. In general you have big problems with gear progression on here. for example for the WSG weapons on lowerlvls you need to be revered for a lvl 18 weapon and thats basically impossible.

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The only good set is the Arathi one.

i want pvp gear to be easier to get there is so much more pve gear you can craft on this server and get through dungeons and raids-raidresets are lower here also. the argumment that pve players have to farm so long and have luck is bs on here anyways. also no one cares. pure pvp players wont take shit away from pve players. its mostly pve players who dont want this cuz they have no life outside of wow. pve player want to jump around in kara gear and feel good thats it. honest take.

[Ahzari]

I will give you the most honest answer you can get.

Because after releasing 1.18.1, an absolutely massive content patch that added a bunch of zones, dungeons, raid content and reworked pvp system incl. new wpvp events, the project shut down.

Usually a massive content patch like this is followed by hotfixes and fine tuning.
This never happened cuz turtle closed.

Both the cn server and this one took 1.18.1 and rehosted it, but neither actually _finished_ 1.18.1.

The patch needs fine tuning, hotfixes, class balance fixes. Its not a finished product.

This is exactly why it boggles my mind reading Octo teams responses in the forum that they won't be touching class balance / content generally beside bug fixes.


The 20k cap is nonsense. If you run the numbers on how long youd need to farm to get full t3 pvp its like 60 weeks or more.

till like jannuary or so? im bamboozled too. now remember when pvp set changes came out you could buy t1 weapons for like 7k honnor and they fixed it in like 4 hours to 14k. and you could get t2 weapons and tw1 weapons without a rank requirement lol. also people who already had t1 epics had to farm the new t1 epix to get the upgrade for t2. failure on all lvls. i think one t2 pvp dagger for example was 43k honor and you have to trade in your t1 weapon for the t2 weapon which is gone then. lol. oh god...

[Knifewrench]

I will give you the most honest answer you can get.

Because after releasing 1.18.1, an absolutely massive content patch that added a bunch of zones, dungeons, raid content and reworked pvp system incl. new wpvp events, the project shut down.

Usually a massive content patch like this is followed by hotfixes and fine tuning.
This never happened cuz turtle closed.

Both the cn server and this one took 1.18.1 and rehosted it, but neither actually _finished_ 1.18.1.

The patch needs fine tuning, hotfixes, class balance fixes. Its not a finished product.

This is exactly why it boggles my mind reading Octo teams responses in the forum that they won't be touching class balance / content generally beside bug fixes.


The 20k cap is nonsense. If you run the numbers on how long youd need to farm to get full t3 pvp its like 60 weeks or more.

till like jannuary or so? im bamboozled too. now remember when pvp set changes came out you could buy t1 weapons for like 7k honnor and they fixed it in like 4 hours to 14k. and you could get t2 weapons and tw1 weapons without a rank requirement lol. also people who already had t1 epics had to farm the new t1 epix to get the upgrade for t2. failure on all lvls. i think one t2 pvp dagger for example was 43k honor and you have to trade in your t1 weapon for the t2 weapon which is gone then. lol. oh god...

its because they working on important things like xrealm/Xfaction wich they wont even tell what wer voted on or how it will work. . like how hard is it to make a post how u will make xrealm work if ur working/putting so much time in it. because at this point id place money on it it will just harm both servers, else they would have talked about how it wil work, but its just for the prestige of having a xrealm workin on pserver.

[Blindtongue]

U do realise new 20k isnt old 20k? But closer to 100-200k?, also there is rank decay and 20k/w doesnt beat r14 decay.

yea i noticed its not the same ratio but even at 100-200k that is nothing lol that used to be 1 proper AB day would give you 180-250k, this means currently we should only play on ab + 1 - 2 days more max for weekly maximum? lol


like what or who is this limit even for then? in old system you would have people pushing blindly over 500k for no reason basically punishing everyone who didnt make more then 150-200k that week so i understand if this was to make people not push too much to punish others but since there are no bracket to my understanding in current system you get decay only based on your total past week output?

so again no point in limiting top pushers just so people in the back could catch up....

I will give you the most honest answer you can get.

Because after releasing 1.18.1, an absolutely massive content patch that added a bunch of zones, dungeons, raid content and reworked pvp system incl. new wpvp events, the project shut down.

Usually a massive content patch like this is followed by hotfixes and fine tuning.
This never happened cuz turtle closed.

Both the cn server and this one took 1.18.1 and rehosted it, but neither actually _finished_ 1.18.1.

The patch needs fine tuning, hotfixes, class balance fixes. Its not a finished product.

This is exactly why it boggles my mind reading Octo teams responses in the forum that they won't be touching class balance / content generally beside bug fixes.


The 20k cap is nonsense. If you run the numbers on how long youd need to farm to get full t3 pvp its like 60 weeks or more.

yea i actually thought about this as well, this was literally just patched up for the shutdown so couldn't even get BG's to pop on TA so we got a half baked system that was never tested in real server situation and scenario so kind of doesn't make much sense to "leave it as is" for the next year until they put in all content that they will hopefully then start balancing and "ironing out" so to say.

even if the honor equates to 100-200k in old system as Knifewrench said that is absolute joke, thats 1 good ab day plus maybe some extra if you skipped some games, 35-50k would be acceptable if it correlates to 500k from before thats how much usually top pushers would go for if coordinating.

I dont see this functioning for long like this, the pvp scene will die out just as it finally got some wind because there is no incentive for people to pvp after reaching the limit which is not hard at all it seems now with games finally popping, didnt even play past 2 days just waiting for honor update so i can stack maximum for the next week... and then just what rinse repeat, stop turning in marks just so i can play more meaningful games throughout the week lol?

this barely makes any sense no matter how i look at it, this system seriously needs some improvement, just feels like pointless punishment and there is no "dynamic" feeling of ranking anymore, back in old system you couldn't know how much was needed per week cuz someone would always try to end up pushing more then others and people would have to coordinate to stay in same brackets, now with this artificial limit there is nothing or no one to play against or with, just feels like you need to reach weekly maximum and thats it?

also if we still decaying with current max past r12 means no point in even ranking above since you can't rank due to the current limitation? wtf... if i understood correctly, still r9 so can't tell

what a shitshow, old ranking doesn't look half as bad now compared to this lol

[Dzielkus]

Not sure how it works now, but in turtle after reaching 20k you couldnt gain more honor but you still rank up with bg/hk. I assume we got the same mechanic cause many ppl have 10rank with max bar for r11 stacked.

Honor limit was introduced to prevent no-lifers gaining all items in one week.
I think it is still resonable

[Crackadia]

Not sure how it works now, but in turtle after reaching 20k you couldnt gain more honor but you still rank up with bg/hk. I assume we got the same mechanic cause many ppl have 10rank with max bar for r11 stacked.

Honor limit was introduced to prevent no-lifers gaining all items in one week.
I think it is still resonable

Can you explain why?

Conversely, should a mechanic that limits how many raid items you can loot in one week be implemented, to prevent no-lifers gaining all items in one raid lockout?