PVP is dead

[Ollie]

As the new "wardens" of turtle wow, im shocked you guys haven't addressed paladins and shamans. Actually its kind of embarrassing honestly lmao. Hot fixing hunter pets was a good direction but please consider your next fixes carefully, BWL isent even out yet and were getting 1 shotted in bgs already with supposed dampening in effect (this was supposed to be a 3.5 gear counter measure)

Im here trying to catch some holy paladin fc with 6k hp running across WSG, never bringing him near 50% to just boop instant hp, then some ret shows up blows me up in .2 seconds like fix this holy shit.

Then some shaman tank with 1 million armor going 1v4 in this early stage of the phase is W-I-L-D.

I know im not the only one who thinks pvp is in a pretty shitty spot esp since last twow patch, i mean how hard could it be to add a 5 minute forbearance to paladins/shamans and tweak their damage like realistically? like 1 hour? change a few numbers bam jobs done.

When we play games its to have fun, and this is just not fun.

[Knifewrench]

As the new "wardens" of turtle wow, im shocked you guys haven't addressed paladins and shamans. Actually its kind of embarrassing honestly lmao. Hot fixing hunter pets was a good direction but please consider your next fixes carefully, BWL isent even out yet and were getting 1 shotted in bgs already with supposed dampening in effect (this was supposed to be a 3.5 gear counter measure)

Im here trying to catch some holy paladin fc with 6k hp running across WSG, never bringing him near 50% to just boop instant hp, then some ret shows up blows me up in .2 seconds like fix this holy shit.

Then some shaman tank with 1 million armor going 1v4 in this early stage of the phase is W-I-L-D.

I know im not the only one who thinks pvp is in a pretty shitty spot esp since last twow patch, i mean how hard could it be to add a 5 minute forbearance to paladins/shamans and tweak their damage like realistically? like 1 hour? change a few numbers bam jobs done.

When we play games its to have fun, and this is just not fun.

We just need more people so we can have rated bgs so u can play vs people ur own skill. Retris dont hurt. Restosham/holydin/shocksham all over tuned ngl about that. On TWow i used to tank 3 retris at same time as resto shaman.

[Ellinna3601]

Holy paladin needs one of the two changes: Either a massive healing dampening of 30-35%, or change blessed strike talents so that using crusader strike as a holy paladin doesn't reset your holy shock but does something else like giving your next holy light (long healing spell) 50% more chance to crit. Holy paladins run around seemingly unkillable because you don't have to start casting (immune to silence) if you keep using crusader strike to reset your holy shock. Doing one of these would solve the problem with very minimal impact on PvE, which according to the logs holy paladin is the 3rd best healer out of 4 so they don't need a nerf to their PvE power.


Shaman needs a massive damage dampening, same degree as paladin, 30-35%. I have not played a shaman myself so I'll refrain from suggesting any talent related changes.

[Sofka]

Holy paladin needs one of the two changes: Either a massive healing dampening of 30-35%, or change blessed strike talents so that using crusader strike as a holy paladin doesn't reset your holy shock but does something else like giving your next holy light (long healing spell) 50% more chance to crit. Holy paladins run around seemingly unkillable because you don't have to start casting (immune to silence) if you keep using crusader strike to reset your holy shock. Doing one of these would solve the problem with very minimal impact on PvE, which according to the logs holy paladin is the 3rd best healer out of 4 so they don't need a nerf to their PvE power.


Shaman needs a massive damage dampening, same degree as paladin, 30-35%. I have not played a shaman myself so I'll refrain from suggesting any talent related changes.

Holy paladins can survive only against noob warrior in fury pve spec.
Just 1 MS and paladin is dead, one counterspell and paladin is dead, 1 smart priest who burn mana and paladin is dead.
Holy paladin is weakest spec rn, its need to be buffed (restore old holy shock)

[Ellinna3601]

Holy paladin needs one of the two changes: Either a massive healing dampening of 30-35%, or change blessed strike talents so that using crusader strike as a holy paladin doesn't reset your holy shock but does something else like giving your next holy light (long healing spell) 50% more chance to crit. Holy paladins run around seemingly unkillable because you don't have to start casting (immune to silence) if you keep using crusader strike to reset your holy shock. Doing one of these would solve the problem with very minimal impact on PvE, which according to the logs holy paladin is the 3rd best healer out of 4 so they don't need a nerf to their PvE power.


Shaman needs a massive damage dampening, same degree as paladin, 30-35%. I have not played a shaman myself so I'll refrain from suggesting any talent related changes.

Holy paladins can survive only against noob warrior in fury pve spec.
Just 1 MS and paladin is dead, one counterspell and paladin is dead, 1 smart priest who burn mana and paladin is dead.
Holy paladin is weakest spec rn, its need to be buffed (restore old holy shock)

I literally fought against you on Farm in AB in a 3-4vs3-4 situation and no one died for a solid 2-3 minutes, I had to answer the door to get my food delivery, I even said this in /s and when I came back I was still alive and so were you, then I apologized for having to AFK out and went away from people so I could /afk. If you are shitposting then I'm stupid for falling for it but holy fuck you can't be serious.

[Sofka]

Holy paladin needs one of the two changes: Either a massive healing dampening of 30-35%, or change blessed strike talents so that using crusader strike as a holy paladin doesn't reset your holy shock but does something else like giving your next holy light (long healing spell) 50% more chance to crit. Holy paladins run around seemingly unkillable because you don't have to start casting (immune to silence) if you keep using crusader strike to reset your holy shock. Doing one of these would solve the problem with very minimal impact on PvE, which according to the logs holy paladin is the 3rd best healer out of 4 so they don't need a nerf to their PvE power.


Shaman needs a massive damage dampening, same degree as paladin, 30-35%. I have not played a shaman myself so I'll refrain from suggesting any talent related changes.

Holy paladins can survive only against noob warrior in fury pve spec.
Just 1 MS and paladin is dead, one counterspell and paladin is dead, 1 smart priest who burn mana and paladin is dead.
Holy paladin is weakest spec rn, its need to be buffed (restore old holy shock)

I literally fought against you on Farm in AB in a 3-4vs3-4 situation and no one died for a solid 2-3 minutes, I had to answer the door to get my food delivery, I even said this in /s and when I came back I was still alive and so were you, then I apologized for having to AFK out and went away from people so I could /afk. If you are shitposting then I'm stupid for falling for it but holy fuck you can't be serious.

It's not my problem that ppl cant play their classes.
A lot of skilled players can kill holy paladins 1x1, me also, and im full pvp geared.
You can't fight against proper shaman, rogue (their posions just smash you), wlocks? lol.
Priest will burn you, hunters will kite, 1 MS from arms warrior and you're dead.
So you can fight against only noob fury warriors in pve spec or combat rogues (pve also) and parity with healers and mages, even they dont skilled enoug (just poly you and chill)
Do you really think that any class in any spec should work in PvP?

And i'm talking about survival only, not WIN.

[Ellinna3601]

Holy paladins can survive only against noob warrior in fury pve spec.
Just 1 MS and paladin is dead, one counterspell and paladin is dead, 1 smart priest who burn mana and paladin is dead.
Holy paladin is weakest spec rn, its need to be buffed (restore old holy shock)

I literally fought against you on Farm in AB in a 3-4vs3-4 situation and no one died for a solid 2-3 minutes, I had to answer the door to get my food delivery, I even said this in /s and when I came back I was still alive and so were you, then I apologized for having to AFK out and went away from people so I could /afk. If you are shitposting then I'm stupid for falling for it but holy fuck you can't be serious.

It's not my problem that ppl cant play their classes.
A lot of skilled players can kill holy paladins 1x1, me also, and im full pvp geared.
You can't fight against proper shaman, rogue (their posions just smash you), wlocks? lol.
Priest will burn you, hunters will kite, 1 MS from arms warrior and you're dead.
So you can fight against only noob fury warriors in pve spec or combat rogues (pve also) and parity with healers and mages, even they dont skilled enoug (just poly you and chill)
Do you really think that any class in any spec should work in PvP?

And i'm talking about survival only, not WIN.

You should not be able to win against any DPS in PvP as a pure healer. Yes, all of those things happen and should happen because you are playing a dedicated healing build. Just like a holy priest should be dead against any other class given enough time. Are you from retail by any chance? Tanks and healers don't win 1v1s here and aren't meant to. Before 1.18.1, you could not even use holy shock against enemies and holy paladin had virtually 0 damage output and it was still as good in PvP.

[Sofka]

Version w/o offensive HS was suck, who cares about it.
Holy priests with smite much more dangerous in attack than holy paladins.
Paladin tanks was good in pvp even in pure vanilla and i'm only vanilla player that's why i need my correct holy shock back, not this stupid version from a stupid Turtle dev who can play only rets

[Ollie]

Version w/o offensive HS was suck, who cares about it.
Holy priests with smite much more dangerous in attack than holy paladins.
Paladin tanks was good in pvp even in pure vanilla and i'm only vanilla player that's why i need my correct holy shock back, not this stupid version from a stupid Turtle dev who can play only rets

I think its pretty obvious being able to reset holy shock cooldown when you use your crusader is kind of a no brainer nerf.

You guys can just go and auto heal yourselves all day long, including your teamates, + bubbles + LOH + freedom + dispels, like at some point you gotta admit your class is OP and saying other wise just makes you look like you're trying to keep your class from being nerfed.

Anyone with half a brain would be like yeah this is too much.

I ranked 13 on twow on a enh shaman and always thought it was the cheeziest shit ever too. they need a 30% dmg reduction, and they need to remove paladin holyshock reset on crusader strike + give a 5 minute forbearance debuff then maybe the class would be slightly more adjusted. Cause right now it aint fun at all, 6-7 holy paladins running around like unkillable gods in bgs, no point in queuing until this is fixed.

[Sofka]

enh shaman

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