current state of PVP server

[Slitknotz]

The server is incredible and I think the devs are doing a phenomenal job. At the same time the DDOS attacks and WoW forever have drained quite a few players. Therefore, I couldn't agree more with the ideas posted here. I think giving the PvP server its own flavor (and roadmap) will help to convince more people to give it a try and I'm sure the best community will do the rest to make them stay.

[Arcadetrinity]

Its time to bring back on the table the discussion of "Current state of the server". This is a constructive criticism and in no means of attacking the devs personally, but rather the opposite, giving our opinions as players to help improve our experience and bring more people into the server.
It feels at the moment that the pvp server and players have been cast aside and/or neglected when it comes to listening to us (the players) with certain stuff not being implemented and/or straight up making a 180 on the decision, so this is (another) attempt at making our voices heard. We all love Octowow and we all wanna see it thrive but we need the devs to work with us and vice versa. We need to bring more players into the server and we want certain things that we believe will do that to incentivize the new players to come in.

What we need and want as a server and players:
- 2xp (with the choice of turning it off)
- Cross - server battlegrounds
- NOT cross - faction battlegrounds or dungeons
- Summoning stones working and not just decoration, NOT instant teleports into dungeons, this will ruin the community (I see this from warmane)
- Guild houses and tabards
- PVE transfers to PVP server
- pvp weapons and gear, ideally similar system as epoch where you can upgrade the gear as you level.
- remove the nerf from dungeon xp, and buff pvp xp. It is a pvp server after all.
- Enable the daily dungeons quest and weekly dungeons quest, including MC weekly quest
- Stop playing favoritism when it comes to the PVE server and the classes of PVP server.
- Give the PvP realm its own identity.
The PvP realm shouldn't necessarily follow the exact same rules and design philosophy as the PvE realm. Features such as increased XP, PvP progression, battleground improvements and leveling incentives could be exclusive to the PvP realm."

why would anyone implement summoning stones, guild houses, tabards, pvp weapons/gear ONLY into the pvp realm
and not in both realms?
this is what will make the pvp realm unique?
summoning stones and tabards?

also, why does a pvp realm need daily dungeon and weekly dungeon quests?
it's a pvp realm
shouldn't the daily/weekly quests be around pvp?
btw the rewards of the old turtle weekly quests would destroy the current economy

good initiative, but your suggestions are "meh" and provide almost nothing to the pvp realm

why would anyone implement summoning stones, guild houses, tabards, pvp weapons/gear ONLY into the pvp realm
and not in both realms?
this is what will make the pvp realm unique?
summoning stones and tabards?

"also, why does a pvp realm need daily dungeon and weekly dungeon quests?
it's a pvp realm"
Respectfully, this is a dumb question. Not everyone JUST pves on a pve server just like not everyone pvps on a pvp server;. Also, variety and incentive to do things. And yes PVE is VERY active on the PVP server
"shouldn't the daily/weekly quests be around pvp?"
yes i agree. Also we do have weeklies for WPVP for capital city raids, but again, variety
"btw the rewards of the old turtle weekly quests would destroy the current economy"
We hardly have any economy atm, we need more people

good initiative, but your suggestions are "meh" and provide almost nothing to the pvp realm
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Brother, idk if you read the first part, but we are on a realm with max 300 ppl and we are struggling to bring in new players. We are giving suggestions and making our voices heard to help the realm, so to answer your questions:
"why would anyone implement summoning stones, guild houses, tabards, pvp weapons/gear ONLY into the pvp realm
and not in both realms?" This is a post about the PVP server, if the devs decide to implement them on the PVE server too, fine i dont care, this post aint about the pve server
"also, why does a pvp realm need daily dungeon and weekly dungeon quests?
it's a pvp realm"
Respectfully, this is a dumb question. Not everyone JUST pves on a pve server just like not everyone pvps on a pvp server;. Also, variety and incentive to do things. And yes PVE is VERY active on the PVP server
"shouldn't the daily/weekly quests be around pvp?"
yes i agree. Also we do have weeklies for WPVP for capital city raids, but again, variety
"btw the rewards of the old turtle weekly quests would destroy the current economy"
We hardly have any economy atm, we need more people

[Defiant]

Hows this hilarious? Be a normal person and use your words

It's hilarious because they want to be on a completely different server with completely different rule sets. Most of us are really tired of engaging with the PVP crowd around here. The reality is they don't want to be on Octo. They want something completely different. There's not much point in engaging with them or "using your words" with them as they'll just yell at you for being a PVE player and say that you don't understand anything about PVP even though there's legitimately more PVP occurring on the PVE server due to us having fast BG queues.

I'm fairly certain the devs have already told them no about several of their demands as well. They want to be on a retail-lite server and this isn't it.

[Defiant]

The server is incredible and I think the devs are doing a phenomenal job. At the same time the DDOS attacks and WoW forever have drained quite a few players. Therefore, I couldn't agree more with the ideas posted here. I think giving the PvP server its own flavor (and roadmap) will help to convince more people to give it a try and I'm sure the best community will do the rest to make them stay.

That's cool, but the devs have told them multiple times it's not going to happen. It's not some unique server. It's a PVP server. That's it. It doesn't have its own flavor. It isn't unique or different. PVP is what makes it unique. PVP is its flavor.

My opinion is that the PVP server is struggling for many reasons, and there's not much anyone can do about that. People just aren't interested in open world PVP on a private server in 2026. I love PVP, and I'm happily on the PVE server, with faster BG queues than the PVP server. I'm not really interested in having some guy and his friends camp me in the open world. It's not compelling content. I would rather face those people in BGs, where it's a quasi balanced fight. I say quasi balanced because BGs aren't really balanced-- but it's a lot better than a 5v1 as you're trying to get to a raid or harvest some herbs. Here's the thing, most world PVP only occurs when one side has a large advantage. It's generally people getting jumped mid combat. It's generally groups of people fighting solos. It's not compelling content in 2026. People aren't really interested in it anymore. It was the same deal on Turtle. TA always had a significantly lower population and while some of these people here will deceptively highlight TAs highest population ever, the reality is that they were often under 1000 players, even under 500, while Nord and Ambershire had about 10,000 between them. So I have absolutely no idea why a PVP server even opened on Octo when our peak population was only 2500 but there were a lot of people demanding it, and many of those people never actually ended up playing. In my opinion from everything I've seen the PVP community are their own worst enemies. I've seen forum posts from players that quit the PVP server because they were just getting constantly camped by level 60s as they were leveling, that's what the PVP server is.

Oh and, lol, they want cross realm BGs, but they don't want cross faction BGs. Like ok, so, they can't have both, because the PVE server is cross faction PVP. It's cross faction to lower the queue times so people can have fun. The PVP server wants to harm the PVE servers queues by forcing us to not be cross faction so that they can have cross realm BGs... The PVP server isn't interested in actual solutions like cross faction BGs. They voted no for that. They don't want to have fun, they want to be miserable and complain on the forums and drag others down. That's my honest to god opinion.

There's also something about a minority of a community making demands and expecting the rest of the community to make sacrifices for them that just rubs me the wrong way. Like sorry, guys. You can sink or swim on your own. Don't drag us down with you. Don't ruin the BG queues on our server just because y'all refuse to accept cross faction BGs. Solutions were offered, and the PVP community refused them. So yeah, I don't care what they want or demand.

[Arcadetrinity]

Hows this hilarious? Be a normal person and use your words

It's hilarious because they want to be on a completely different server with completely different rule sets. Most of us are really tired of engaging with the PVP crowd around here. The reality is they don't want to be on Octo. They want something completely different. There's no much point in engaging with them or "using your words" with them as they'll just yell at you for being a PVE player and say that you don't understand anything about PVP even though there's legitimately more PVP occurring on the PVE server due to us having fast BG queues.

I'm fairly certain the devs have already told them no about several of their demands as well. They want to be on a retail-lite server and this isn't it.

"it's hilarious because they want to be on a completely different server"
If we wanted to be on a different, wed go on a different server. And newsflash genius. people have already quit the server because of low pop (not the main reason we lost people, but certainly plays a role)
"The reality is they don't want to be on Octo. They want something completely different"
This is not reality, this is something you made up in your head and youre providing it as a fact, which is not. Excuse us for wanting to have a better experience in the game and hopefully bring more people in.
"I'm fairly certain the devs have already told them no about several of their demands as well"
Yes, some stuff were straight up no, with zero explanation, or an explanation that makes no sense. Other stuff, they said they were gonna do them and then turned back on those decisions.
"They want to be on a retail-lite server and this isn't it."
Again, making things up and assuming its a fact, nobody wants a retail OR a retail-lite experience here. We strongly believe some things retail has WILL ruin the game/server, example instant teleport into dungeons

[Defiant]

- 2xp (with the choice of turning it off)

Devs have said no multiple times. You want to play on a different server. I'd recommend ripping the band aid off and leaving.

- Cross - server battlegrounds
- NOT cross - faction battlegrounds or dungeons

Well too bad, because the PVE realm has cross faction BGs, so for there to be cross realm BGs, you would need to accept cross faction BGs. Which would help solve your problems, by the way, as it would drastically reduce your queue times. But you all refuse to accept cross faction so yeah, that's on you.

- Summoning stones working and not just decoration, NOT instant teleports into dungeons, this will ruin the community (I see this from warmane)

Then go play on Warmane.

- Guild houses and tabards

This is being worked on by the devs for both servers.

- PVE transfers to PVP server

For that to be effective, it would need PVE players interested in joining y'all. You would need to see calls from PVE players to open transfers. Instead you only see PVP players asking that... The threads I do see are people on the PVP server asking for transfers *off* of the PVP server. Not the other way around. I'm all for opening transfers to the PVP server but no one is going to go mate.

- pvp weapons and gear, ideally similar system as epoch where you can upgrade the gear as you level.

There are PVP weapons and gear on Octo. Do you even play on this server?

- remove the nerf from dungeon xp, and buff pvp xp. It is a pvp server after all.

So why remove the nerf from Dungeon XP, if it's "a pvp server after all".

But no they aren't going to change either of those things. They've already explained why at length.

- Enable the daily dungeons quest and weekly dungeons quest, including MC weekly quest

That would absolutely crater the economy and yes I saw your other half baked response about how there is no economy and you're very stupid for claiming that.

- Stop playing favoritism when it comes to the PVE server and the classes of PVP server.

There is no favoritism being played. You're asking for demands. You want the PVP server to be treated differently. Essentially you're asking for there to be favoritism for the PVP server, and you're also claiming there's favoritism for the PVE server when there isn't.

- Give the PvP realm its own identity.

It has its own identity. It's a PVP server. That's the identity, mate.

The PvP realm shouldn't necessarily follow the exact same rules and design philosophy as the PvE realm. Features such as increased XP, PvP progression, battleground improvements and leveling incentives could be exclusive to the PvP realm."

That's your opinion, and the devs have repeatedly said it's not going to happen. I would highly recommend you go play on one of the other servers you referenced in your comment. You're more than welcome to go host your own server with your own rules.

[Defiant]

"The reality is they don't want to be on Octo. They want something completely different"
This is not reality, this is something you made up in your head and youre providing it as a fact, which is not. Excuse us for wanting to have a better experience in the game and hopefully bring more people in.

You explicitly stated several LARGE sweeping changes. You're the one who said you want something completely different mate. Those are your words. Don't get angry at me for accurately quoting you.

You want a completely different style of gear progression, right? Here, I'm going to quote you directly so you stop being a roach.

- pvp weapons and gear, ideally similar system as epoch where you can upgrade the gear as you level.
- Summoning stones working and not just decoration,
- remove the nerf from dungeon xp, and buff pvp xp. It is a pvp server after all.
The PvP realm shouldn't necessarily follow the exact same rules and design philosophy as the PvE realm.

Those statements imply you want something drastically different from Octo. From itemization, to world changes, to massive differences for experience gain and progression. At that point it would be a completely different server. So my statement is 100% accurate.

[Arcadetrinity]

- 2xp (with the choice of turning it off)

Devs have said no multiple times. You want to play on a different server. I'd recommend ripping the band aid off and leaving.

- Cross - server battlegrounds
- NOT cross - faction battlegrounds or dungeons

Well too bad, because the PVE realm has cross faction BGs, so for there to be cross realm BGs, you would need to accept cross faction BGs. Which would help solve your problems, by the way, as it would drastically reduce your queue times. But you all refuse to accept cross faction so yeah, that's on you.

- Summoning stones working and not just decoration, NOT instant teleports into dungeons, this will ruin the community (I see this from warmane)

Then go play on Warmane.

- Guild houses and tabards

This is being worked on by the devs for both servers.

- PVE transfers to PVP server

For that to be effective, it would need PVE players interested in joining y'all. You would need to see calls from PVE players to open transfers. Instead you only see PVP players asking that... The threads I do see are people on the PVP server asking for transfers *off* of the PVP server. Not the other way around. I'm all for opening transfers to the PVP server but no one is going to go mate.

- pvp weapons and gear, ideally similar system as epoch where you can upgrade the gear as you level.

There are PVP weapons and gear on Octo. Do you even play on this server?

- remove the nerf from dungeon xp, and buff pvp xp. It is a pvp server after all.

So why remove the nerf from Dungeon XP, if it's "a pvp server after all".

But no they aren't going to change either of those things. They've already explained why at length.

- Enable the daily dungeons quest and weekly dungeons quest, including MC weekly quest

That would absolutely crater the economy and yes I saw your other half baked response about how there is no economy and you're very stupid for claiming that.

- Stop playing favoritism when it comes to the PVE server and the classes of PVP server.

There is no favoritism being played. You're asking for demands. You want the PVP server to be treated differently. Essentially you're asking for there to be favoritism for the PVP server, and you're also claiming there's favoritism for the PVE server when there isn't.

- Give the PvP realm its own identity.

It has its own identity. It's a PVP server. That's the identity, mate.

The PvP realm shouldn't necessarily follow the exact same rules and design philosophy as the PvE realm. Features such as increased XP, PvP progression, battleground improvements and leveling incentives could be exclusive to the PvP realm."

That's your opinion, and the devs have repeatedly said it's not going to happen. I would highly recommend you go play on one of the other servers you referenced in your comment. You're more than welcome to go host your own server with your own rules.

brother you are legit retarded, READ CAREFULLY WTF YOURE READING!! its like youre reading the headline and not the whole sentence and coming up with answers. READ CAREFULLY. To give you an example of how stupid you are: "dont do this it will ruin the community, ive seen this on warmane" your reaction is "then go play on warmane" or " pvp weapons and gear, ideally similar system as epoch where YOU CAN UPGRADE YOUR GEAR AS YOU LEVEL" your answer is "theres already gear and weapons (which weapons dont exist yet) do you even play the game?". These answers makes 0 fucking sense cause you cant fucking read. READ MOTHERFUCKER READ. I am not answering you anymore

[Joeblack]

constructive criticism

and calling someone retard for having a different opinion

is there anyone on the pvp realm that can discuss like a human being?

[Defiant]

brother you are legit retarded, READ CAREFULLY WTF YOURE READING!!

I responded to damn near everything you said sentence by sentence. I disagree with you. This is the point in a conversation where you would highlight the things you felt I got wrong. But instead you nerd raged and screamed like a child. Best of luck with that, bucko.

(which weapons dont exist yet)

Yes, because we have a roadmap. No you won't get Naxx tier gear while MC is out. Again, you want to play on a completely different server. I really don't even get how this is something you're arguing about. What you want is drastically different than what Octo or even TA offered. You want to play on a different server. It's that simple man.

is there anyone on the pvp realm that can discuss like a human being?

There used to be a few level headed PVP players commenting here but I'm pretty sure they were chased away by these lot.