Dirrector of PvP

[Feardotrun]

Are you brand new to Turtle/Octo??

Both the Turtle Devs and the Octo Devs have stated that class balance changes will not be made for PVP.

That said I put hundreds of hours into Pvp on Turtle and I just outright disagree with you guys. I never remember Druids feeling overpowered. Like this whole discussion genuinely confuses me. Theres also only like three or four people making noise about it. Most are complaining about other classes. So you should really ask yourself how much of this is just a personal issue and not actually a balance issue. Like there were extremely geared and experienced players on Twow of all classes and that individual strength and the skill expression that comes from the experience seemed far more important than what class they played. In this case you are likely running into very experienced and good Druid PVPers and instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Also you mentioned decent macros don't exist? Youre using one of the addons that modernize Macros right?

Lol you sound like one of the goofies playing a druid. "acknowledging that they're just exceptional players" if mashing 2 buttons to kill a person in 2 shots and being immune to all forms of CC is exceptional then I guess you are both right and dumb. I have run into a total of 5 actually good PVPers on this server, that includes both horde and alliance. You think a class that goes around 2 shotting 99% of the playerbase and getting away from a full 5+ group and living to tell the tale is being exceptional you most def play one.

This has nothing to do with me running into some exceptional player and all to do with that class being completely broken and someone like you who has literally no idea what he's yapping about. Being a good player is knowing when to use certain spells, how to cc, how to position yourself and not just mash 2 buttons and kill everything instantly while being immune to all CC. Have you ever played arena above 1300 or you just yapping

I have over 500 hours into this server and most of it has been PVPing so I think I am more than qualified to speak on it

[Brwcht]

I knew that at this stage I wouldn’t get good PvP slots, but I didn’t think the slots would be completely empty and I would need to go on raids, which I went on so often that it made me feel disgusted, and I stopped playing on TW Telabim before it closed. I was expecting that by rank 10 my character would at least have PvP blue slots, but he’s either naked or wearing PvP gear with only 15 stamina for rank 5. There’s no choice for a single slot — you can only take 1. Set bonuses are useless for some classes and super strong for others.

[Therealvda]

instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.

[Defiant]

instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.

He can remove Fear twice? Oh no! The game is broken!

So what kind of PVP are you doing? Youre likely in BG pugs and you arent getting supported by team mates or you are running off by yourself.

PVP balance was never designed to make every class and specialization balanced in a 1v1 scenario. Yes, some classes will give you a hard time. Theres not much else to say. In the majority of PVP content you have team mates to complement your weaknesses. Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it. In BG pugs that cannot always be relied on as most people play as individuals rather than a team. That doesn't merit a class rebalance though.

[Therealvda]

instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.

He can remove Fear twice? Oh no! The game is broken!

So what kind of PVP are you doing? Youre likely in BG pugs and you arent getting supported by team mates or you are running off by yourself.

PVP balance was never designed to make every class and specialization balanced in a 1v1 scenario. Yes, some classes will give you a hard time. Theres not much else to say. In the majority of PVP content you have team mates to complement your weaknesses. Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it. In BG pugs that cannot always be relied on as most people play as individuals rather than a team. That doesn't merit a class rebalance though.

Shadow stomps Feral in proper Vanilla PvP.

Feral stomps Shadow on Octo.

That means Feral received so many buffs that they are now the hard counter to their original hard counter.

It's absolute nonsense.

Stop being a clown.

Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it

Part of being good at PvP is knowing when something is overtuned/overbuffed. Feral is. The whole server is saying it except a few people like Holydruid who plays Feral.

[Ellinna3601]

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.

He can remove Fear twice? Oh no! The game is broken!

So what kind of PVP are you doing? Youre likely in BG pugs and you arent getting supported by team mates or you are running off by yourself.

PVP balance was never designed to make every class and specialization balanced in a 1v1 scenario. Yes, some classes will give you a hard time. Theres not much else to say. In the majority of PVP content you have team mates to complement your weaknesses. Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it. In BG pugs that cannot always be relied on as most people play as individuals rather than a team. That doesn't merit a class rebalance though.

Shadow stomps Feral in proper Vanilla PvP.

Feral stomps Shadow on Octo.

That means Feral received so many buffs that they are now the hard counter to their original hard counter.

It's absolute nonsense.

Stop being a clown.

Part of being good at PVP is understanding that and working around it

Part of being good at PvP is knowing when something is overtuned/overbuffed. Feral is. The whole server is saying it except a few people like Holydruid who plays Feral.

Go back to proper Vanilla then. This server had 3 massive class change patches. Adapt and accept that this is not 1.12 or move on. Stop comparing your 20 year old experiences to Octo.

[Holydruid]

There is literally 2 or 3 Ferals on Horde that play BG's. (and semi-active, just on the side)
Ally has like 2 ferals max, that play BG's, again semi-active on the side.
(on the pvp server that is)
While ally is filled with paladins.. legit 40-60% of every BG is fucking holy or prot pally, whom are unkillable fuckers with high HP, high armor, insta holy shock with heals, almost no mana cost. Maybe complain about that bullshit once

Has it ever come to you that maybe its a skill issue?
Because the things you are spewing are utter nonsense..

1.5k hits with a claw? Killing people in 2 GCD's with the weakest ability we have?
Maybe a Ravage or a Ferocious Bite with 5 CP can crit like 1.5k . IF WE GET LUCKY with a crit... ON A CLOTH USER
But ravage can only be done out of stealth, so we got to choose, either stun + bleed, or high burst.
Versus plate users, its even worse. Maybe 150-200 dmg crits with a claw. And 600-700 with a crit on 5 CP bite

Besides that.. as a cat, we have the same armor as a clothie does. Rogue blow cats up in legit 3-4 seconds.
So does almost every burst caster.
In bear we are tanky with high armor... but deal almost no damage... and is very weak to casters.
Our "CC immume" as you call it, only works for slows and roots. And we use 400 mana per time we use it. We can use it max 5-7 times or something like that and we OOM and get kited around like its nothing

Next to that.. Ferals fall off the more gear is people get. Which is why they were never a trouble on TWOW, its also THE SAME balancing as TWOW had in 1.18..... where no one has issues with ferals.
Because we dont use actual weapons and get much stronger, compared to other classes.

Right now, you look like a todler throwing around stuff and bullshit, and rolling on the floor crying because he doesnt get what he wants. And funny enough... ITS ONLY YOU.. vs a lot of other people.

Also funny how you ONLY mention fear. That shows you play either warlock or shadow priest. Our Berserk has 5minute CD to break. PvP trinket, 3minute CD.. your fear?? Much lower then that.

[Ellinna3601]

There is literally 2 or 3 Ferals on Horde that play BG's. (and semi-active, just on the side)
Ally has like 2 ferals max, that play BG's, again semi-active on the side.
(on the pvp server that is)
While ally is filled with paladins.. legit 40-60% of every BG is fucking holy or prot pally, whom are unkillable fuckers with high HP, high armor, insta holy shock with heals, almost no mana cost. Maybe complain about that bullshit once

Has it ever come to you that maybe its a skill issue?
Because the things you are spewing are utter nonsense..

1.5k hits with a claw? Killing people in 2 GCD's with the weakest ability we have?
Maybe a Ravage or a Ferocious Bite with 5 CP can crit like 1.5k . IF WE GET LUCKY with a crit... ON A CLOTH USER
But ravage can only be done out of stealth, so we got to choose, either stun + bleed, or high burst.
Versus plate users, its even worse. Maybe 150-200 dmg crits with a claw. And 600-700 with a crit on 5 CP bite

Besides that.. as a cat, we have the same armor as a clothie does. Rogue blow cats up in legit 3-4 seconds.
So does almost every burst caster.
In bear we are tanky with high armor... but deal almost no damage... and is very weak to casters.
Our "CC immume" as you call it, only works for slows and roots. And we use 400 mana per time we use it. We can use it max 5-7 times or something like that and we OOM and get kited around like its nothing

Next to that.. Ferals fall off the more gear is people get. Which is why they were never a trouble on TWOW, its also THE SAME balancing as TWOW had in 1.18..... where no one has issues with ferals.
Because we dont use actual weapons and get much stronger, compared to other classes.

Right now, you look like a todler throwing around stuff and bullshit, and rolling on the floor crying because he doesnt get what he wants. And funny enough... ITS ONLY YOU.. vs a lot of other people.

Also funny how you ONLY mention fear. That shows you play either warlock or shadow priest. Our Berserk has 5minute CD to break. PvP trinket, 3minute CD.. your fear?? Much lower then that.

Good post on all points, I can vouch for all, particularly how feral falls off the more geared people are. On Nordanaar, ferals were a very rare sight. The point about holy paladins is also true, I would know because I've played one on Turtle since 2024. It's literally some guy who is crying because there's been some changes to his game from 20 years ago and now he has to change his strategy and adapt accordingly. Worse, he has to learn, which means his previous PvP macro-knowledge doesn't account for much. He's in stage 1 of denial.

[Therealvda]

Has it ever come to you that maybe its a skill issue?
Because the things you are spewing are utter nonsense..

Do you perhaps have some sort of learning disability? What part of ''they can cleanse my CC and outdamage me by 100%" don't you get? There's no outplay to be had when someone deals double your damage every GCD and can cleanse your only CC.

Our "CC immume" as you call it, only works for slows and roots. And we use 400 mana per time we use it. We can use it max 5-7 times

Oh no you poor thing you can only cleanse your root 7 times in a fight, cleanse fear once, immune to poly and also have trinket on top of doing a morbillion damage.

Has it ever come to you that maybe its a skill issue?
Because the things you are spewing are utter nonsense..

1.5k hits with a claw?

Where did I say Ferals hit for 1.5K with Claw? Congratulations on creating a fictional scenario and then getting mad at it. I'd suggest taking your pills.

At this point you're trolling. I get that you want your OP broken spec that even a 12 year old clicker could play but this is garbage.

[Therealvda]

Adapt and accept that this is not 1.12 or move on. Stop comparing your 20 year old experiences to Octo.

There is no such thing as adapting to bad tuning. Stop defending bad balance.