Ninja Looting is ALLOWED! (with proof) (confirmed by GM)

[Teizertz]

ahhh ye the lvl 34 mail pants for ele shaman they cant wear till lvl 40.... bro ur justshowing ur cluelue and out witch hunting and moving goalposts. but seems its time u relvl or get a name change because u ruined ur name completely. never party with the following people, they will actively try witch hunt you on forums if u roll on items they need and disband the party if they lose a roll.
Warrior : spellhater
Healer paladin: cachorrito
Mage: tonkito
and no spelldmg item is tank item not heal item heal item has flat +healing so even then ur argument doesnt stand. if this was a 60 epic in raid with this stat devision no way in hell people let healer roll mainspec on this.

This poor creature, with its inability to read, spell, or reason... is trying to lecture me... God Bless...

The GM never said that. You are falsely inferring he said that. Look at your screenshots, I just did.

Look harder! You're replying to someone else.

Stop trying to shift the narrative to the GM saying ninja looting is fine, because that was never explicitly stated anywhere in your screenshot.

Look harder, again! They did, twice. Once in the screenshot, once in the forums. "If no loot rules were established before the run began, this is considered a playerdispute and Support cannot intervene." means YOU MUST ESTABLISH LOOT RULES BEFORE THE RUN BEGINS. No assumption of needing for your role, no MS>OS>Free roll, Nothing! No guarantees! You're out on your own! You're mad at me but the GM said you're on your own!

You Raven shills can go fuck themselves, stop trying to make Octo look bad, and go back to your shitty server where prot paladins can't roll on spell power items as to not offend some snowflakes like OP or you.

Yeah, it's definitely me making the server look bad, not most of the replies in this thread or the refusal from the staff to handle ninja looting.
Arguing in bad faith, Knifewrench's meltdown and (rather sad) attempt at cancel culture, pretending that Intellect and Spell power are the stats a prot paladin should be stacking over a holy paladin (LOL)... you forum dwellers sure are a fine bunch! Excellent looks! Keep it up!

Still no one's addressed my other point. Should this prot paladin (in a dps role with no prior discussion about it) be allowed to roll for a Cloth Intellect+Spell power item? maybe a Mage bis? Maybe let him have a go with your girl while he's at it?

One thing did become clear to me few replies into this thread; you people are willing to bend over backwards and come up with all sorts of wacky logic, willing to insult, try to intimidate, try to berate, gaslight, use fallacies, shift goalposts, try to cancel, misread or misinterpret, among other things JUST to agree with a GM... on an issue that WILL personally affect you negatively once you're on the other side of the gun! All while simultaneously failing to display the most basic of reading comprehension skills...

I believe my point's been proven beyond any reasonable doubt for anyone that reads this thread in good faith.
Thanks for your cooperation!

PS: I doubt I'll continue responding, at this point I'm just having to repeat myself over and over and over because most of you simply cannot read, or tell who you're responding to, and yet you expect others to trust your judgement of in-game stat priorities? LOL

[Defiant]

One thing did become clear to me few replies into this thread; you people are willing to bend over backwards and come up with all sorts of wacky logic, willing to insult, try to intimidate, try to berate, gaslight, use fallacies, shift goalposts, try to cancel, misread or misinterpret, among other things JUST to agree with a GM... on an issue that WILL personally affect you negatively once you're on the other side of the gun! All while simultaneously failing to display the most basic of reading comprehension skills...

The narcissism is real. What is it at this point, ten people disagreeing with you and one person agreeing? Everyone is wrong but you. Everyone is illiterate but you.

Except again you objectively *falsely* reported someone. You didnt understand how loot works. That is how this started; your ignorance. The GM was responding to *your ignorance*. Again to to be extremely clear zero ninja looting occurred. So how is a GM going to get involved. You not understanding loot and getting angry at someone is as the GM stated a player dispute. They cant do anything about someone that isn't breaking the rules.

You can repeat yourself til the cows come home it wont change that you falsely reported someone and a GM refused to do anything because no rule breaking occurred. No abuse of the Group Loot occurred. The only thing that occurred is your ignorance of itemization. You destroyed a group and falsely reported someone.

YOU MUST ESTABLISH LOOT RULES BEFORE THE RUN BEGINS.

Yes if you want to deny people direct upgrades for their current spec you need to outline that at the start of the run.

pretending that Intellect and Spell power are the stats a prot paladin should be stacking over a holy paladin (LOL)...

Yes. Objectively yes. The healer should be aiming for +healing not +spellpower. Spellpower and Intellect are pretty much the best stats for Prot Dps. You have absolutely no idea how the class changes on this server work. This isnt a debate. You are simply wrong and instead of researching this you are just doubling down. There are any number of Prot Paladin guides you could have referenced instead of writing your ignorant walls of text but you chose to remain uninformed and angry.

Still no one's addressed my other point. Should this prot paladin (in a dps role with no prior discussion about it) be allowed to roll for a Cloth Intellect+Spell power item? maybe a Mage bis?

Yes no one is addressing your irrelevant pointless hypothetical because that isnt what happened. What happened is a mid 30s Prot Paladin rolled on mail spellpower gear which would actually be HIS bis and a healer decided to roll on it. Now, if it was an upgrade for the healer it was an upgrade and they should roll-- however you keep bringing up what's best for classes and Im sorry but spellpower is not bis for healers. Healing power is.

Again so much of your problem is just straight up ignorance of Octowows class balance. We have tried educating you but you just get angry.

[Teizertz]

Yes. Objectively yes. The healer should be aiming for +healing not +spellpower.

Oh, so you ARE capable of act-

Yes no one is addressing your irrelevant pointless hypothetical because that isnt what happened. What happened is a mid 30s Prot Paladin rolled on mail spellpower gear which would actually be HIS bis and a healer decided to roll on it. Now, if it was an upgrade for the healer it was an upgrade and they should roll-- however you keep bringing up what's best for classes and Im sorry but spellpower is not bis for healers. Healing power is.

Nevermind, more grifting...

And, yet another one completely missing the point...

[Archivist]

Are you going to pretend that it doesn't also feature the DAMAGE part before the HEALING one?

Two things that a Paladin of any specialization would look at and say "Hey, I can make use of that" and roll need on it. Which would be their right.
Let me ask you this then since you seem to be soooo much more knowledgable: What SHOULD a Paladin focus on then?

[Burnett]

As multiple people have already stated, the GM is responding to your specific scenario.

False, the GM is stating the looting rules of the server they have to adhere to in every "player dispute scenario" as they explained (For example, not telling the healer at the start of the dungeon that they should not need on a 2h strength sword over the dps players if it ever drops)

At this point after so many replies, like 90% are completely focused on the pants despite being completely irrelevant to what the GM explicitly explained about ninja looting as a general server rule, and the other 10% either agree with the gm proclaiming ninja looting as part of the "classic experience" or are gaslighting themselves into thinking the same server looting rules explained by the GM wouldn't apply in a more "extreme" case of ninja looting, like the example I just gave, which doesn't even make sense.

Nobody has been able to disprove anything because, at the end of the day, it's their word against the objective looting rules given by the GM. People with common sense will be able to understand why this approach to moderation is bad the moment they read the GM's response in the screenshots, or they'll change their opinion the moment one of those "extreme ninjaloot" cases happens and the GM gives them exactly the same response the OP received. There's no point in continuing to discuss this topic.

[Defiant]

Yes. Objectively yes. The healer should be aiming for +healing not +spellpower.

Oh, so you ARE capable of act-

Yes no one is addressing your irrelevant pointless hypothetical because that isnt what happened. What happened is a mid 30s Prot Paladin rolled on mail spellpower gear which would actually be HIS bis and a healer decided to roll on it. Now, if it was an upgrade for the healer it was an upgrade and they should roll-- however you keep bringing up what's best for classes and Im sorry but spellpower is not bis for healers. Healing power is.

Nevermind, more grifting...

And, yet another one completely missing the point...

I guess I need to explain vanilla itemization to you. I guess you never played Vanilla, Classic, or Twow.

Spellpower does include healing. Healingpower only includes healing. Healingpower is generally 50% additional healing power on each item than spellpower. Here let me show you an example.

The picture shows the exact same item, the T1 Paladin Helm, the Retribution set, Protection set, and the Holy set. Notice how the Healing stat is 50% more than the Spellpower? That's how vanilla healing itemization works. Notice how both the Ret and Prot specs have Spellpower and Intellect?

You talked all this talk about Mages BIS, prioritizing Bows/Guns to Hunters. Well I'm sorry, those leggings are not healer leggings. Period. End of story. They're CASTER leggings. Can a healer use them? Sure. Like I said above, if it's an upgrade for the healer they should roll on it. However, since you were talking about BIS, this is 100% a case where if you would do that for the Hunter/Mage you should be supporting the Prot Paladin that was in your group. Instead you falsely reported him and by the sounds of it threw a hissy fit and destroyed your entire group over your own ignorance

I was being nice-- but you're a fucking idiot dude. You've had numerous people tell you this. You have clearly done no research. You clearly don't understand basic vanilla itemization let alone Turtle/Octos class changes. Because to be clear the distinction between spellpower gear and healing gear isn't a custom change. This is how every Vanilla and Classic server is-- and you didn't know that. Again, it's YOUR ignorance over and over and over again, and instead of educating yourself you get angry at others.

[Defiant]

As multiple people have already stated, the GM is responding to your specific scenario.

False, the GM is stating the looting rules of the server they have to adhere to

Again to be absolutely clear, the idiot you're defending wanted a GM to steal loot from someone and give it to his friend. That's the reality here mate. The normal rules are group loot where you either "need" items you need, or you "greed" items that you don't. The Paladin clearly did need those. They were clearly an upgrade. No rules were broken.

If you want to stray from that, then you need a player agreement ahead of time, as the GM stated.

GMs will not steal loot for you or your friends. Sit down kid.

And you talk about common sense? Anyone with common sense would see that no rules were broken, and that what they were asking the GM to do is steal loot. So the GM provided them with the rules so that they would understand GMs won't steal loot for you.

I feel bad for that Paladin. Imagine being in that group. You roll on some awesome leggings, and the entire group falls apart because some retail player crashes out not understanding that Spellpower and Int are *huge* for Paladins on this server.

[Bulleh]

Imagine knowing fuck all about USB types, reporting a guy for taking a charger because you think it's the wrong connector for his device, when it's actually the correct one. Management can't be bothered or doesn't have time to teach you USB standards and gives you a generic "no agreed priority" response.
You then spend the rest of the day telling everyone to just take whatever fucking charger they want, regardless of whether they can use it, because management said it's allowed. All the while insisting people need to stop focusing on the misunderstanding of USB types because "that's beside the point."

[Defiant]

Imagine knowing fuck all about USB types, reporting a guy for taking a charger because you think it's the wrong connector for his device, when it's actually the correct one. Management can't be bothered or doesn't have time to teach you USB standards and gives you a generic "no agreed priority" response.
You then spend the rest of the day telling everyone to just take whatever fucking charger they want, regardless of whether they can use it, because management said it's allowed. All the while insisting people need to stop focusing on the misunderstanding of USB types because "that's beside the point."

The fact that this is your first post on the forums makes this even funnier. 10/10.

[Knifewrench]

Yes. Objectively yes. The healer should be aiming for +healing not +spellpower.

Oh, so you ARE capable of act-

Yes no one is addressing your irrelevant pointless hypothetical because that isnt what happened. What happened is a mid 30s Prot Paladin rolled on mail spellpower gear which would actually be HIS bis and a healer decided to roll on it. Now, if it was an upgrade for the healer it was an upgrade and they should roll-- however you keep bringing up what's best for classes and Im sorry but spellpower is not bis for healers. Healing power is.

Nevermind, more grifting...

And, yet another one completely missing the point...

Man u cant be serieus on this highlighted "healing" ... brah, highlight the armor/stam/dmg, just because spelldmg is worded dmg AND healing doesnt make it a heal item. Im 100% sure ur just trolling at this point. How did u make it past the captcha