New boosting rule

[Yarmum]

You can't really play the maturity card if you were acting like an epic 4chan greentext mememaster a moment ago.
But if you insist on a more serious reply..

Here is your post history in this thread "Yarmum":
1. You start off by attacking a random reply to the thread that was upset with the GM's response to feedback
2. Next post is calling everyone neckbeards that want to play a single player game.
3. After a brief back and forth with another user, you finally actually get to a point. You think that 60s "buttplugging" their alts hurts the server economy. Good faith, but not really relevant: People can still make enchanting alts, mooncloth/salt farms, and so on, it just takes them a little bit longer. People can still "buttplug" and level 2 alts at the same time.
4. Most of its playing the victim (You and Tifa seem to really like this tactic, I'm guessing its a discord thing) but you seem to also try to make a point about this effecting dungeon queue times. Well... first... isn't the dungeon finder also counterintuitive to your socialize-or-die mantra? And second... that's debatable. I'd argue the bigger reason people don't bother with dungeons while leveling is because the XP is bad, certain drops only good for certain dungeons, and people really only run them for the quests. I've seen plenty of people also use their 60 to just get their alt nicely geared so they could run dungeons with lowbies and effectively carry the mouthbreathers if things go awry. Overall its an anecdotal point that is fixed by other incentives.

You made fair points finally, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I've played vanilla for quite a while now and never felt the need to ruin my gameplay experience by dual-boxing or any other kind of cheating or "shortcut" so whether the admins decide this change sticks is up to them ultimately. I guess some people don't love the game as much as I do and that's fine :shrug:

[Yarmum]

However, a few points of mine still sticks. Dual boxers will not be grouping for dungeons. You changed the subject to dungeon finder and then moved the goalpost several times within one message. I would be the guy who's carrying people in low lvl dg's with my alt. The people dual boxing will never care to interact with anyone

[Octosephiroth]

Hello, I would like to share my input, respectfully.

I have no interest in rehashing any disrespectful interactions from the previous pages in this thread.
Please take the time to read what I have to say before jumping to conclusions.

I am in favor of the old turtle rules, because they were very clear and had very little room for misunderstanding.
These new rules allow for 'General Assistance' but make a clear example of AOE farming as an example leaving a lot of grey area.
I am also in favor of the old rules as well due to the flexibility with which to enjoy the game. During 'off' hours, it is nice to get something done on your own, within the rules assuming you're not doing a challenge/etc. Sometimes, even during peak hours, you maybe just dont want to interact with another person, cant commit to the attention that a full group would demand (semi-afk), or a litany of other reasons. The arguments that lead to or come from 'your fun is wrong, play my way instead' are useless from both sides. As for some, they will want to boost because they are simply bored of leveling and/or just want to take their most efficient path to get to a place where the game is enjoyable for them. Many feel they have to rebuild what they had on turtle or whatever the reason. Everything so far, falls under the category of regular players trying to enjoy a game in a fairly regular way, that has been the way for years under turtle management.
Nothing so far has convinced me that any of these examples so far goes against the spirit of the game or should be prevented to maintain some kind of atmosphere on the server. (mainly because I dont think this kind of play ruins anything for anyone, and allowing it enables more people to enjoy the game we all love their way)

Even if you disagree with the above take, we have common ground. Everyone understands, when the staff says we need to clamp down on the RMT/Boosting/Account Selling. If restricting this behavior allows them to root this out more quickly, its hard to say that is a bad thing. If bad actors are already breaking the rules by selling accounts and RMTing, they will probably be willing to break other rules as well (such as boosting).

Tl;Dr
Long term I would like to see the policy walked back to a something that is a better compromise for all players.
-Clearly define the limits of 'General Assistance' including the limits to which you can help yourself or guildmates/friends.
-expand the allowances as much as possible so that mages/paladins are not left out by simply being AOE class (you'll just shift the meta to single target DPS)
-So long as long as players are not using this to Boost/sell or RMT, which has always been against the rules, let us enjoy the game how we want.

Clearly some players are passionate about this on both sides. Let's calm down and talk about it.
Thank you.

[Darktifa]

There are lots of people making accounts, which is pretty easy to do since we already have OWOW accounts, because they heard about this rule change, it sucks, and they came to complain as first time posters in this thread, including myself since this thread was my first post.

forum accounts have the same "joined" as our Octo accounts

[Beckett]

However, a few points of mine still sticks. Dual boxers will not be grouping for dungeons. You changed the subject to dungeon finder and then moved the goalpost several times within one message. I would be the guy who's carrying people in low lvl dg's with my alt. The people dual boxing will never care to interact with anyone

I mean, you are the one keeps changing the subject here: Dualboxing is not the issue, it's still alive and allowed by rules. Someone alt-tabbing leveling on two pallies can clear most dungeons up to Mara and possibly beyond if vamp'd up. The majority of concerns you still have in regards to it will likely still remain.

[Beckett]

There are lots of people making accounts, which is pretty easy to do since we already have OWOW accounts, because they heard about this rule change, it sucks, and they came to complain as first time posters in this thread, including myself since this thread was my first post.

forum accounts have the same "joined" as our Octo accounts

Bro... just stop... You're really embarrassing yourself right now.

[Cartmanbrah]

There are lots of people making accounts, which is pretty easy to do since we already have OWOW accounts, because they heard about this rule change, it sucks, and they came to complain as first time posters in this thread, including myself since this thread was my first post.

forum accounts have the same "joined" as our Octo accounts

Bro... just stop... You're really embarrassing yourself right now.

Joined July 5th.
Welcome, new friend.

[Xiv96]

There are lots of people making accounts, which is pretty easy to do since we already have OWOW accounts, because they heard about this rule change, it sucks, and they came to complain as first time posters in this thread, including myself since this thread was my first post.

forum accounts have the same "joined" as our Octo accounts

I can assure you that they don't. Also holy shit this thread spiraled.

I created my OctoWoW account months ago and mine also says that it was created yesterday, I assume it automatically creates one when you visit the forums for the first time.

[Darktifa]

I can assure you that they don't. Also holy shit this thread spiraled.

I created my OctoWoW account months ago and mine also says that it was created yesterday, I assume it automatically creates one when you visit the forums for the first time.

fair
still waiting for the powertripping accusations btw

[Xiv96]

I can assure you that they don't. Also holy shit this thread spiraled.

I created my OctoWoW account months ago and mine also says that it was created yesterday, I assume it automatically creates one when you visit the forums for the first time.

fair
still waiting for the powertripping accusations btw

If you want to continue arguing / derail the conversation I suggest you do it on that little discord of yours.
I have no interest in making points that you'll simply brush off with bogus reasons and gotcha's, I'm here to discuss the issue at hand.