GM Malpractice, The Hand of Ragnaros, and Meatgrinder

[Kestrel]

Not that they did not know it was given by a GM, but rather that they did not have malicious intent, or ask for the items. If someone on the street walks up to you and gives you €2,000 euro, I don't think the police should throw you in jail if it turns out to be drug money, its the person who committed the crime that is at fault.

[Ziggler]

Not that they did not know it was given by a GM, but rather that they did not have malicious intent, or ask for the items. If someone on the street walks up to you and gives you €2,000 euro, I don't think the police should throw you in jail if it turns out to be drug money, its the person who committed the crime that is at fault.

i mean if a GM walks up to you and trades you the Zebra mount you know its wrong.... OR your saying a GM can generate loot on a mob? Zebra drops from a rare mob in Barrens. So either the GM traded the zebra to the player or generated the mount on the mob without the player knowing

[Igzee]

If you don't permanently ban people involved in this it will absolutely destroy any credibility you hope to have, Most players would take a week vacation to get a full hand of rag, Its unacceptable to only receive a week long ban. Do not become a server where it's ok for GM's to spawn in items at will for players. Also you need to ensure you can absolutely trust a GM before giving them absolute access to these types of commands.

No player is getting a Hand of Rag in exchange for a week long ban. As previously stated, there was never the possibility of this going unnoticed. This is not a server where it is ok for GM's to spawn in items at will for players I am not sure where you got this idea from given the GM was immediately removed, items deleted, and player banned.

There is no way to "absolutely trust" a GM when giving them access to these types of commands. If you have any suggestions on how to absolutely trust an anonymous person on the internet though I'd love to hear them...

We achieve community trust through transparency and auditing. If you do not trust us yet that is ok, we have faith you will someday.

- I can understand the need of providing GM with some power while the server is in beta state,7 but stability improves. While old GMs can keep few powers, new one should only be assigned to classic support and filter report before forwarding them to experienced GM.

- do not forgive any bad action. Show the rest of the playerbase that griefing has real impact.

[Igzee]

Not that they did not know it was given by a GM, but rather that they did not have malicious intent, or ask for the items. If someone on the street walks up to you and gives you €2,000 euro, I don't think the police should throw you in jail if it turns out to be drug money, its the person who committed the crime that is at fault.

imagine there is only 200euro in the economy and someone gives 2000; can you assume it's forgery ?

[Sludi]

ban the 2 ppls who there is evidence against

ppls should NOT receive any punishment if there is no hard evidence they knew something was wrong though

I am new to private servers and if I see a GM handing out loot obviously I am going to assume that is just part of how this works

[Kestrel]

Not that they did not know it was given by a GM, but rather that they did not have malicious intent, or ask for the items. If someone on the street walks up to you and gives you €2,000 euro, I don't think the police should throw you in jail if it turns out to be drug money, its the person who committed the crime that is at fault.

i mean if a GM walks up to you and trades you the Zebra mount you know its wrong.... OR your saying a GM can generate loot on a mob? Zebra drops from a rare mob in Barrens. So either the GM traded the zebra to the player or generated the mount on the mob without the player knowing

The GM did not put the loot on the mob (that is not a power GMs (or devs without a shit ton of custom work) have). I know it sounds crazy to veteran wow players, but many are a bit ignorant of the "norms" and we feel it is the responsibility of GMs to uphold that. It is the responsibility of the players to act respectably and within the bounds we place.

Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." While this is not a defense that is acceptable for GM's who are held to a higher standard, that standard is not one players can be held to.

[Kestrel]

Not that they did not know it was given by a GM, but rather that they did not have malicious intent, or ask for the items. If someone on the street walks up to you and gives you €2,000 euro, I don't think the police should throw you in jail if it turns out to be drug money, its the person who committed the crime that is at fault.

imagine there is only 200euro in the economy and someone gives 2000; can you assume it's forgery ?

I fear you may have lost the plot good sir

[Kestrel]

ban the 2 ppls who there is evidence against

ppls should NOT receive any punishment if there is no hard evidence they knew something was wrong though

I am new to private servers and if I see a GM handing out loot obviously I am going to assume that is just part of how this works

That is how we feel as well, and we know that revealing their in game names would only subject them to judgements that we feel would be unfair and likely ruin the game for them anyways. Of course we know who they are and have flagged their account in case anything else happens, but we don't expect any more issues. And if there ever are we will make it right just as we have with this one <3

[Pig]

I speak for myself and I hope every one of my colleagues when I say the integrity of Vanilla WoW and all the current Vanilla+ experiences is very important to me. This game is very special to me and I'm sure the devs as well otherwise they wouldn't be spending their spare time creating a place for us to all get to spend time with each other.

I have met tons of amazing adventurers while working for this team and it is thanks to these friendships I was made aware of this situation the moment I logged in. We instantly took action. We hear you guys and I hope our final decision makes the community happy. ~Oink!

[Gildark]

I speak for myself and I hope every one of my colleagues when I say the integrity of Vanilla WoW and all the current Vanilla+ experiences is very important to me. This game is very special to me and I'm sure the devs as well otherwise they wouldn't be spending their spare time creating a place for us to all get to spend time with each other.

I have met tons of amazing adventurers while working for this team and it is thanks to these friendships I was made aware of this situation the moment I logged in. We instantly took action. We hear you guys and I hope our final decision makes the community happy. ~Oink!

Oink.