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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#41 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 6:32 pm

Regalius wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 5:31 ampseudo-intellectuals

The projection here is immense. How many paragraphs did you just write in order to tell me I'm wrong without touching on a single thing I actually said? Genuinely though, that's kind of impressive.

Look, man, when you have an actual argument and response to what I've said come back and ping me. Until then please don't add to my notifications with your weird rants.

I've been a part of the Turtle community for a long time, and I run a guild, for you to say I'd leave for Blizzard slop is just ridiculous. You don't know me-- you have no idea what you're talking about and that's the difference between us. I responded to the OP in a pretty detailed way. I responded to literally everything they said. You on the other hand didn't actually respond to a single thing I said, and you in fact started making shit up and going off like a delusional weirdo. You went very personal with your response, where as I'm just telling the guy why he's wrong. See, for me, when people can't make an actual argument they resort to the nonsense you pulled.

I'm not a "pseudo-intellectual" I'm just not stupid, mate. Sorry that I have to call you out on your childish nonsense but that's on you, not me. Feel free to join the conversation at any time.
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#42 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 6:59 pm

Slitknotz wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 10:36 pm
While I do get your point, I think there is nothing wrong with making suggestions
The exact same suggestions have been made at this point likely hundreds of times. Most of the time they're posted fairly aggressively. The devs have responded to most of the suggestions already as well, saying that they won't happen.

So at that point, they've made their case. They've explained what they want. The developers, the people that actually run the server, have said no-- and they've explained why. So we're just going in a circle.

I would love for the PVP server to be successful and while some might doubt whether I'm genuine about that I am serious. The thing is, people just aren't that interested in it. These guys want the developers to essentially completely revamp a system that isn't broken. Look at it this way, many here are talking about TA and how it was handled well and respected by the Turtle devs. The only actual difference between the two servers is the XP gain is lower on Octowow. Yet all of these suggestions are way way waaaay beyond just XP. Am I wrong here? Am I going crazy? Because honestly interacting with the PVP community makes me feel like I'm a crazy person. First they say TA was great, then they make a bunch of recommendations that are completely different from TA. The reality is that TA and Y'shaarj are basically the same server. The devs didn't boost XP because then everyone would be 60, and the leveling brackets would be dead, and that would be a bad look for new players. They have explained this at length. So if the XP is the only difference, where are all of these other suggestions coming from. They want a complete rework of the ranks. They want a complete rework of the rewards. They want a completely different PVP server. So they should go play on a completely different PVP server. :roll:

And even looking at their "suggestions" here, many of them will impact the PVE server if implemented. So yeah, I have an opinion on this stuff and it's formed by having been on the forums pretty actively for the last while and genuinely reading their opinions and complaints and not understanding them. Because again, many of them speak about TA with high regard. So we don't need a complete rework of anything. The core systems are fine. The only thing they really have to complain about is the XP rates and the devs have given in my opinion an extremely good explanation for why they don't want the rates boosted.

I don't know what else to say. From my perspective, the PVP community here are extremely toxic and are their own worst enemy, and I personally believe that they've managed to push away a lot of people that wanted to be on that server. I think a lot of the reason the PVP servers population is struggling is due to the community on the server. I've referenced it before but I've seen people post on the forums here complaining about how they're constantly being corpse camped by 60s on the PVP server and can't level. I mean I guess that's part of what PVP is, but if I was on the PVP server I think I'd focus my PVP on people my own level and not chase away new players. Who am I to lecture them though, it's their server, maybe the people being corpse camped were just too weak for a PVP server. :roll:
Slitknotz wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 10:36 pm Maybe I'm wrong, but I only remember the option to vote for cross realm BGs ( explicitly without crossfaction) or no cross realm BGs at all.
From memory and I could be wrong but I remember the vote as either cross realm with cross faction or no cross realm at all. My understanding was that if there was cross realm it would need to be cross faction due to the PVP server being cross faction. I felt like the vote was whether the PVP server would accept the cross faction change, and if they would then cross realm BGs could be implemented. Either way, those details aside, what the PVP community seems to want is cross realm BGs with no cross faction.

In order for cross realm BGs to be implemented without cross faction, the PVE server would have to make drastic changes so as to appease the PVP crowd? Sorry, if the PVP crowd was willing to compromise then I'd be willing to compromise. But if they aren't willing to budge, and they're the minority, then why should the majority have to bend the knee to them? I'm sorry man but I find that attitude of theirs to be fucking obnoxious.

The expectation that the PVE server should change drastically so that the PVP server can benefit? The PVE server implemented cross faction BGs to decrease queue times. It was done for a reason. The population of Y'shaarj is not nearly large enough to compensate for the cross faction BGs. What I'm saying is that the queue times would be impacted for the PVE players. How is that fair? Why should we suffer for the PVP players when there's a simple solution that literally solves all of the problems? Please if you're going to respond to anything I've said respond to this point. How is that fair?
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#43 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 7:04 pm

Knifewrench wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 3:55 am
Once again asking why you are harrassing us on yshaarj forum section?
There is no Y'shaarj forum section. There's a PVP section. I post in it because I engage in PVP content.

This guy is a great example of what I mean when I say the PVP community is toxic. He wants to gatekeep people having opinions about PVP. As if there isn't PVP on bother servers. As if many of us on the PVE server haven't played on PVP servers over the years. As if many of us on the PVE server only started on the PVE server because it was the only option at the time.
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#44 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 7:17 pm

Vex wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 1:17 am
Joeblack wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 9:30 pm
Vex wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 6:09 pm Nobody is asking for other realms to make sacrifices. I don't know what drugs you are on but you seem to be high on your own farts. What people are asking here is not serverwide, its concerning PvP realm and it doesn't affect other realms nor you. If you are a PvE cuck who is scared of PvP, which seems to be the case, why are you commenting here? You lack reading comprehension.
Pve realm has cross faction BG's
Op is asking for NO cross faction BG's if cross realms BG's are implemented
So, pve realm has to sacrifice better q times, in order to maintain the No cross faction BG's
Isn't that simple to comprehend?
The cross realm bgs are not going to be implemented, there was a poll, people said no. Were you there when poll happened? Is that hard to remember? Even if they did happen, pve realm wouldn't have to sacrifice better q times, idk where you get that from other than your low iq brain.

Holy shit. This is the most impressive display of stupidity I've seen in awhile.

Yes, there was a poll. We all remember it. The PVP server voted to shoot itself in the foot and now you're all suffering and whining because of it. However, that doesn't change the fact that multiple people in this thread have asked for cross realm BGs specifically without cross faction. Which is what the guy you're responding to is talking about.

So are you not seeing the multiple people recommending that they implement cross realm BGs in this specific thread? Are you blind? Can you not read? What's your excuse?

Let me be extremely clear-- you didn't read this thread. The guy you're responding to did. He is referencing the multiple people that recommended cross realm BGs. You're lashing out at him for being informed, because you're uninformed. Which is extremely low IQ behavior. You could have just been like oh, I didn't see that. Whoops.

And this is a shining example of what the PVP server community is. Idiots like this guy. And people need to start calling it for what it is. The majority of the community aren't going to bother responding to this crap, but I will. Most people would just roll their eyes and be impressed by your stupidity, they're not going to bother actually trying to respond to you because talking to stupid people is a pretty stupid thing to do. So I guess I have to be the bad guy.
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#45 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 7:33 pm

Vex wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 12:41 pm
I read it all, did you? Because it seems to me you have no clue what you are talking about.

You clearly didn't, and it's hilarious that you're so low IQ that you're doubling down.
Arcadetrinity wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 3:57 pm
- Cross - server battlegrounds
- NOT cross - faction battlegrounds or dungeons
Almazorwow wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 11:45 am - Cross - server battlegrounds : YES, no cross faction. And the cross faction on the pve serve can be reversed.
There are two examples of people wanting to impact the PVE server. :roll: The first is the OP, and several others have expressed support for his list of ideas as well.

I just gotta say, it's fucking atrocious that I have to even do this. The fact that you're such a deceptive lying low IQ tool that I need to go back through this ridiculous thread and get quotes to prove that you're lying through your teeth is so fucking tiring.

Honestly with people like you in filling its ranks, no wonder the PVP server is struggling.
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#46 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 9:13 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 7:33 pm
Vex wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 12:41 pm
I read it all, did you? Because it seems to me you have no clue what you are talking about.

You clearly didn't, and it's hilarious that you're so low IQ that you're doubling down.
Arcadetrinity wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 3:57 pm
- Cross - server battlegrounds
- NOT cross - faction battlegrounds or dungeons
Almazorwow wrote: Wed Oct 21, 2026 11:45 am - Cross - server battlegrounds : YES, no cross faction. And the cross faction on the pve serve can be reversed.
There are two examples of people wanting to impact the PVE server. :roll: The first is the OP, and several others have expressed support for his list of ideas as well.

I just gotta say, it's fucking atrocious that I have to even do this. The fact that you're such a deceptive lying low IQ tool that I need to go back through this ridiculous thread and get quotes to prove that you're lying through your teeth is so fucking tiring.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAH I am glad its tiring
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#47 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 9:34 pm

Vex wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 9:13 pm AHAHAHAHHAHAHAH I am glad its tiring
Yeah, that's about the response I figured I'd get. First you deny when there's clear evidence you were wrong, now you will just pretend it's all a big troll. It's the low IQ guys guide to communicating on the Internet. It's funny too because whenever you troglodytes do this shit you think you're being witty and that it isn't incredibly transparent. :roll:
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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#48 » Fri Oct 23, 2026 12:23 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 9:34 pm
Vex wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 9:13 pm AHAHAHAHHAHAHAH I am glad its tiring
Yeah, that's about the response I figured I'd get. First you deny when there's clear evidence you were wrong, now you will just pretend it's all a big troll. It's the low IQ guys guide to communicating on the Internet. It's funny too because whenever you troglodytes do this shit you think you're being witty and that it isn't incredibly transparent. :roll:
all i can say is fucking karma bro, but hold up if this is tiring you out i can do even better just wait. everytime u do a dumb post on yshaarj section i will respond with 5x dumb post on n´zoth section. lets have a battle of attrition.

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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#49 » Fri Oct 23, 2026 12:58 pm

Defiant wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2026 6:59 pm
Slitknotz wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 10:36 pm
While I do get your point, I think there is nothing wrong with making suggestions
The exact same suggestions have been made at this point likely hundreds of times. Most of the time they're posted fairly aggressively. The devs have responded to most of the suggestions already as well, saying that they won't happen.

So at that point, they've made their case. They've explained what they want. The developers, the people that actually run the server, have said no-- and they've explained why. So we're just going in a circle.

I would love for the PVP server to be successful and while some might doubt whether I'm genuine about that I am serious. The thing is, people just aren't that interested in it. These guys want the developers to essentially completely revamp a system that isn't broken. Look at it this way, many here are talking about TA and how it was handled well and respected by the Turtle devs. The only actual difference between the two servers is the XP gain is lower on Octowow. Yet all of these suggestions are way way waaaay beyond just XP. Am I wrong here? Am I going crazy? Because honestly interacting with the PVP community makes me feel like I'm a crazy person. First they say TA was great, then they make a bunch of recommendations that are completely different from TA. The reality is that TA and Y'shaarj are basically the same server. The devs didn't boost XP because then everyone would be 60, and the leveling brackets would be dead, and that would be a bad look for new players. They have explained this at length. So if the XP is the only difference, where are all of these other suggestions coming from. They want a complete rework of the ranks. They want a complete rework of the rewards. They want a completely different PVP server. So they should go play on a completely different PVP server. :roll:

And even looking at their "suggestions" here, many of them will impact the PVE server if implemented. So yeah, I have an opinion on this stuff and it's formed by having been on the forums pretty actively for the last while and genuinely reading their opinions and complaints and not understanding them. Because again, many of them speak about TA with high regard. So we don't need a complete rework of anything. The core systems are fine. The only thing they really have to complain about is the XP rates and the devs have given in my opinion an extremely good explanation for why they don't want the rates boosted.

I don't know what else to say. From my perspective, the PVP community here are extremely toxic and are their own worst enemy, and I personally believe that they've managed to push away a lot of people that wanted to be on that server. I think a lot of the reason the PVP servers population is struggling is due to the community on the server. I've referenced it before but I've seen people post on the forums here complaining about how they're constantly being corpse camped by 60s on the PVP server and can't level. I mean I guess that's part of what PVP is, but if I was on the PVP server I think I'd focus my PVP on people my own level and not chase away new players. Who am I to lecture them though, it's their server, maybe the people being corpse camped were just too weak for a PVP server. :roll:
Slitknotz wrote: Tue Oct 20, 2026 10:36 pm Maybe I'm wrong, but I only remember the option to vote for cross realm BGs ( explicitly without crossfaction) or no cross realm BGs at all.
From memory and I could be wrong but I remember the vote as either cross realm with cross faction or no cross realm at all. My understanding was that if there was cross realm it would need to be cross faction due to the PVP server being cross faction. I felt like the vote was whether the PVP server would accept the cross faction change, and if they would then cross realm BGs could be implemented. Either way, those details aside, what the PVP community seems to want is cross realm BGs with no cross faction.

In order for cross realm BGs to be implemented without cross faction, the PVE server would have to make drastic changes so as to appease the PVP crowd? Sorry, if the PVP crowd was willing to compromise then I'd be willing to compromise. But if they aren't willing to budge, and they're the minority, then why should the majority have to bend the knee to them? I'm sorry man but I find that attitude of theirs to be fucking obnoxious.

The expectation that the PVE server should change drastically so that the PVP server can benefit? The PVE server implemented cross faction BGs to decrease queue times. It was done for a reason. The population of Y'shaarj is not nearly large enough to compensate for the cross faction BGs. What I'm saying is that the queue times would be impacted for the PVE players. How is that fair? Why should we suffer for the PVP players when there's a simple solution that literally solves all of the problems? Please if you're going to respond to anything I've said respond to this point. How is that fair?
First of all, thank you for taking the time to reply in detail.
I'm not a dev, so I can't really judge how big the impact on the PVE server would be.
What if cross server only becomes available as cross faction? For those who strictly want faction vs. faction can opt for non-cross server games? Maybe this could be an option only for the PVP server? This way, people from the PVP server can decide whether they want to wait 5 hours for a queue pop or accept cross faction and have instant fun. I know where I would queue, because I don't have 5h to wait for a game and I'd rather have "lore inaccurate" games than no games at all.
This way, the PVE server only gets additional players, i.e. even faster queue pops, while the others can wait until enough people on the PVP server queue for a "lore accurate" session.
However, I have no idea how difficult this would be to implement or whether this could be implemented at all. Maybe a Dev will consider this idea some day (if it hasn't been already) and comment. Would be awesome.

Talking about for example an updated PVP gear system, while this is a dramatic change indeed, couldn't this also enrich the PVP experience on the PVE server? Just because a current system is good, doesn't mean that you can't make it even better. That's at least how I look at it.

Anyway, looking at the 4th reply to the original post, no side seems to have a short supply of toxic people. ;) That makes having a reasonable discussion all the more important. As I said before, I think no one wants to harm the PVE server. However, it is possible that some suggestions would have a negative impact on the PVE server that we simply don't see or understand. That makes it all the more important that people like you speak up and highlight what and why you see issues with some of the ideas.
At least for myself, I have no overview of what the Devs have discussed or explained already as I usually check the announcements and patch notes only. So I hope I'm not the only one for whom some of the ideas are genuinely new. ;)

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Re: current state of PVP server

Post#50 » Fri Oct 23, 2026 5:54 pm

Knifewrench wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2026 12:23 pm
yshaarj section
There is no Yshaarj section. There's a PVP subforum, and I comment on it because I engage in PVP. You can threaten to spam the forums all you want. It's perfectly clear that you're used to bullying in order to get what you want and that's not going to happen here. I'm happy just making fun of your illiterate ass whenever you stumble out of your quarantine zone. :roll:
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