2026-07-29

[Kestrel]

So you’re basically saying you don’t give a damn about PvP, and that you don’t even play on your own server. Create a level-60 Alliance character and go run Warsong, for example, with six shamans on the other side. Then try coming back and saying that PvP balance isn’t a priority.

What’s the point of opening a PvP server if you don’t give a damn about it?

You guys are just like Turtle, wow. PvE comes before PvP. And you'll always act that way. PvP isn't treated fairly compared to PvE. I came here hoping to see some change. What a disappointment.

Nope. I am saying that everyone wants different things done/fixed, and that balancing (especially in PvP) is not something that is quick or easy and once we start it we cannot stop and it will consume a lot of resources internally and it will be much better for the entire server if we have things stable and also have internal tools to help us balance things better.

Not sure what you expected out of a beta server that is 3 months old but I can't fully control your expectations. Give it some thought maybe.

Side note, the comment about me not playing here is incredibly tone deaf. You must be new here, the dev team has been balls to the wall, we have not gotten to play on our own server much at all. My main is not even level 30 yet. You are welcome to spin up a PvP focused server up yourself if you'd like of course, the 1.17.1/2 leak is out there for anyone to grab!

[Serabs]

So you’re basically saying you don’t give a damn about PvP, and that you don’t even play on your own server. Create a level-60 Alliance character and go run Warsong, for example, with six shamans on the other side. Then try coming back and saying that PvP balance isn’t a priority.

What’s the point of opening a PvP server if you don’t give a damn about it?

You guys are just like Turtle, wow. PvE comes before PvP. And you'll always act that way. PvP isn't treated fairly compared to PvE. I came here hoping to see some change. What a disappointment.

Nope. I am saying that everyone wants different things done/fixed, and that balancing (especially in PvP) is not something that is quick or easy and once we start it we cannot stop and it will consume a lot of resources internally and it will be much better for the entire server if we have things stable and also have internal tools to help us balance things better.

Not sure what you expected out of a beta server that is 3 months old but I can't fully control your expectations. Give it some thought maybe.

Side note, the comment about me not playing here is incredibly tone deaf. You must be new here, the dev team has been balls to the wall, we have not gotten to play on our own server much at all. My main is not even level 30 yet. You are welcome to spin up a PvP focused server up yourself if you'd like of course, the 1.17.1/2 leak is out there for anyone to grab!

Well, let's just hope the “beta” phase for this server doesn't last as long as Star Citizen's did. I think it would have been better if you hadn't launched this server until it was completely finished and you had some real changes to offer.

[Duraluminium]

Beckett has been put in forum timeout for a second time (for the same thing), the third time will be a permanent forum ban. Do not throw around crazy and serious accusations without evidence. It not only is harmful to the community as a whole, but it also cheapens and makes light of genuine issues.

Speaking of real problems, when are you going to address the balancing and rework of PvP gear? Don't tell me this isn't your priority, because it's a major problem right now. Dampening is a joke; the current PvP gear is absolutely not enough on its own to be viable. Shaman tanks and BM Hunters are WAY too strong compared to other classes.

The current PvP is turning a lot of players off. If you don't do something about these issues soon, you'll lose players.

And on that note, you can't say you don't know how to solve these problems, because there are plenty of sources of inspiration featuring PvP and PvP content. Like Epoch, for example.

So when can we expect a PvP rework and balance adjustments?

I did mention that somewhere in either this thread or deep in another, but this thread is a mess.

Dampening has some issues and we plan to rework either the dampening gear balance, or that mechanic entirely. In terms of the current PvP gear that is available, reworking that to be more desirable is much lower on the priority list.

Classic (and Turtle) PvP had its balancing issues and I have no doubt things are unbalanced right now. Balancing things is more than just tweaking a few numbers, it will take research, thought, and testing that we are excited to do someday.

It is also a never ending battle and we cannot yet start that battle in earnest with how fast we are moving. I of course understand that could be an issue for many and don't hold it against them if that is a deal breaker.

It has been said a few times over firesides and in posts, but balancing in general is not something we will be looking at until all restoration is complete and we are stable, clear of technical debt, and have the critical internal tooling that we need. The last thing we need is to derail server development getting bogged down balancing problems other developers created.

Could you at least add an agility necklace into PVP gear with similar stats as str and int necks have, and the same cost? It would be a very easy and fast fix. For now int and str characters can equip 6% resi necks, and agi users have none.

[Berdal]

I think these guys launched exactly when they should've, and have done an incredible and splendid job so far!

I am ashamed to witness the ungratefulness of these whiny entitled brats.

Though I hope Kestrel is not put off too much by their bitching.

[Serabs]

I think these guys launched exactly when they should've, and have done an incredible and splendid job so far!

I am ashamed to witness the ungratefulness of these whiny entitled brats.

Though I hope Kestrel is not put off too much by their bitching.

How much was the bank transfer for this comment ?

[Xallog2]

I think these guys launched exactly when they should've, and have done an incredible and splendid job so far!

I am ashamed to witness the ungratefulness of these whiny entitled brats.

Though I hope Kestrel is not put off too much by their bitching.

So not kissing their ass is being ungrateful? The exp change sucks but they aren't changing their mind on it. I take issue with the lasher change when the weekly quests aren't implemented. If you wanted to nerf lashers you should've added those at the same time. Dreamfoil has doubled in price on the AH.

[Knifewrench]

So you’re basically saying you don’t give a damn about PvP, and that you don’t even play on your own server. Create a level-60 Alliance character and go run Warsong, for example, with six shamans on the other side. Then try coming back and saying that PvP balance isn’t a priority.

What’s the point of opening a PvP server if you don’t give a damn about it?

You guys are just like Turtle, wow. PvE comes before PvP. And you'll always act that way. PvP isn't treated fairly compared to PvE. I came here hoping to see some change. What a disappointment.

Nope. I am saying that everyone wants different things done/fixed, and that balancing (especially in PvP) is not something that is quick or easy and once we start it we cannot stop and it will consume a lot of resources internally and it will be much better for the entire server if we have things stable and also have internal tools to help us balance things better.

Not sure what you expected out of a beta server that is 3 months old but I can't fully control your expectations. Give it some thought maybe.

Side note, the comment about me not playing here is incredibly tone deaf. You must be new here, the dev team has been balls to the wall, we have not gotten to play on our own server much at all. My main is not even level 30 yet. You are welcome to spin up a PvP focused server up yourself if you'd like of course, the 1.17.1/2 leak is out there for anyone to grab!

Well, let's just hope the “beta” phase for this server doesn't last as long as Star Citizen's did. I think it would have been better if you hadn't launched this server until it was completely finished and you had some real changes to offer.

to be fair tho, yes pvp is unbalanced. but we cant blame octo for stuff thats unchanged. we can only judge the changes they have made.

[Serabs]

Nope. I am saying that everyone wants different things done/fixed, and that balancing (especially in PvP) is not something that is quick or easy and once we start it we cannot stop and it will consume a lot of resources internally and it will be much better for the entire server if we have things stable and also have internal tools to help us balance things better.

Not sure what you expected out of a beta server that is 3 months old but I can't fully control your expectations. Give it some thought maybe.

Side note, the comment about me not playing here is incredibly tone deaf. You must be new here, the dev team has been balls to the wall, we have not gotten to play on our own server much at all. My main is not even level 30 yet. You are welcome to spin up a PvP focused server up yourself if you'd like of course, the 1.17.1/2 leak is out there for anyone to grab!

Well, let's just hope the “beta” phase for this server doesn't last as long as Star Citizen's did. I think it would have been better if you hadn't launched this server until it was completely finished and you had some real changes to offer.

to be fair tho, yes pvp is unbalanced. but we cant blame octo for stuff thats unchanged. we can only judge the changes they have made.

You know as well as I do that they don't treat PvP the same way they treat PvE. I see the launch of the PvP server as nothing more than a bone to chew on, just to make it look like they care about PvP. Exactly like what Turtle WoW did.

[Berdal]

So not kissing their ass is being ungrateful? The exp change sucks but they aren't changing their mind on it. I take issue with the lasher change when the weekly quests aren't implemented. If you wanted to nerf lashers you should've added those at the same time. Dreamfoil has doubled in price on the AH.

They've heard you, and they've responded.

You're not listening nor respecting what they're saying.

You're acting like you're right, and you're the ones in charge.

Maybe I've imagine it (I'm not backtracking all these pages to find out), but I got the impression the devs was attacked.

[Xallog2]

So not kissing their ass is being ungrateful? The exp change sucks but they aren't changing their mind on it. I take issue with the lasher change when the weekly quests aren't implemented. If you wanted to nerf lashers you should've added those at the same time. Dreamfoil has doubled in price on the AH.

They've heard you, and they've responded.

You're not listening nor respecting what they're saying.

You're acting like you're right, and you're the ones in charge.

Maybe I've imagine it (I'm not backtracking all these pages to find out), but I got the impression the devs was attacked.

Is this your first time interacting with people who have a different view to you? Of course people believe they're right when they say something?