Dirrector of PvP

[Darktifa]

All... donations are optional you genius

It's called a hyperbole my dude, but it requires min IQ to comprehend it

[Defiant]

All... donations are optional you genius

It's called a hyperbole my dude, but it requires min IQ to comprehend it

That's just cruel Tifa. You think he knows what Hyperbole means? Come on. You gotta read the room and understand who you're communicating with. My recommendation would be to stick to small and commonly used words.

[Therealvda]

they have already answered
NO class balance changes untill other things that have priority are finished

Unacceptable answer. Will continue to bump until the answer changes.

The best part is Druids have never been super powerful in PVP on Turtle. Ultimately this is a "mad because bad" scenario. Maybe they are a hard counter to your class but come on. That doesnt merit a class rebalance. Doesn't merit spamming announcement threads after your suggestion thread is ignored. They've already given an answer on this topic so you are essentially just harassing people in order to get your way which is the behavior of a child. Be better.

My brother in Christ, my class is meant to be a hard counter to Feral and the Turtle changes made it so I have 0 chance whatsoever to beat one.

It's atrocious balance.

All... donations are optional you genius

It's called a hyperbole my dude, but it requires min IQ to comprehend it

" Optional donations " is not hyperbole you beautiful genius, it's an oxyMORON.

All... donations are optional you genius

It's called a hyperbole my dude, but it requires min IQ to comprehend it

That's just cruel Tifa. You think he knows what Hyperbole means? Come on. You gotta read the room and understand who you're communicating with. My recommendation would be to stick to small and commonly used words.

Apparently neither you nor Tifa know what hyperbole means, so it's hilarious to me that you're patting yourselves on your backs while ( unwittingly ) showing your intellectual deficiency to the world. Peak irony.

[Feardotrun]

"My brother in Christ, my class is meant to be a hard counter to Feral and the Turtle changes made it so I have 0 chance whatsoever to beat one."

I am not only 10000% agreeing with this but the changes made on here regarding feral druids and their PVP set was either modified by someone who has literally no idea what they're doing OR someone deliberately and intentionally doing so to the point where it's ridiculous. Arena is suppose to be out soon from what I hear, the pvp ranking has already been at play and you guys have no plans to balance classes anytime soon? Why even create a PVP server to begin with if you are going to leave stuff like this untouched, this isn't one of those, oh they're OP complaints, they're completely F.... broken and on top of all this, Several of us in the PVP community have complained about the druid EUM who is using client side hacks to further his ALREADY broken class by using anti root, anti stun, anti fear and speed hacks ALONG with the ridiculous speed bonus of the druid pvp set. He has been using these hacks since the first 30s bracket started in warsong all the way to 60, he has toned it down due to people catching on, but he is still using hacks, just not as much.

Also.. what is going on with the CRAZY resists on paladins????? My class is a hard counter on both Paladins and druids and while I can still clap Paladins due to my play style and skill, the amount of resists I get is beyond what it should be and that feral druid EUM, I have died over 100 times to him, it is literally impossible for me to kill him in a 1v1 when I have fought gladiator and rank 1 druids in classic and have taken a dump on all of them, I have NEVER lost to a druid in a 1v1 in vanilla, TBC or wrath . He is not only cheating but has a massive advantage and tuned nonsense to begin with. This is the kind of stuff that real serious PVPers will come here and see this and leave right away. They aren't going to bother making a message or post on your forums or complaining, they aren't going to bother, I am finally saying something cause I just ran across this post. I had high hopes for this server, I came here with few arena healers for competitive arenas and from all the unbalanced nonsense, decent macros simply not existing or possible to make even with addons, horrible pet movement and attack issues (warlock), crazy overtuned classes, the cheating and complete lack of understanding how PVP should be, even the PVP sets have been modified in a way that makes them almost useless, like why remove hit rating from them? This kills a lot of specs, especially ones that don't have any talents as fillers.

There are so many small, med and big things that could be done that would not only benefit all the player base but you can bet your ass it would benefit the rise in population on the PVP server, I have seen some great pvpers come and go and have not seen them logged on for weeks now due to nothing being done about any of the issues I stated above.

I play a warlock, but just like a shadow priest, it's a hard counter to druids and I see my fellow spriests get 2 shotted by a feral and really get to thinking on how dumb the person who modified the druids really is, no offense, that's just my 2cents. If you want to do goofy updates about how many people can sit on a bench in the trade district and not address really important things like this then I can assure you, your pvp server will not last very long at all. It's already very low pop and BG ques take hours and only early morning NA afternoon EU times for a few hours, during the evening at peak NA times. Nerfing XP in bgs on the PVP server was another huge mistake. If you do a poll on the PVP server, I can guarantee you 95% of people if not more are against it. More understandable on the PVE server as it's more pve oriented and bgs ques are fairly quick, but on the pvp server, they are not, they are extremely slow in literally every bracket

[Defiant]

"My brother in Christ, my class is meant to be a hard counter to Feral and the Turtle changes made it so I have 0 chance whatsoever to beat one."

I am not only 10000% agreeing with this but the changes made on here regarding feral druids and their PVP set was either modified by someone who has literally no idea what they're doing OR someone deliberately and intentionally doing so to the point where it's ridiculous. Arena is suppose to be out soon from what I hear, the pvp ranking has already been at play and you guys have no plans to balance classes anytime soon? Why even create a PVP server to begin with if you are going to leave stuff like this untouched, this isn't one of those, oh they're OP complaints, they're completely F.... broken and on top of all this, Several of us in the PVP community have complained about the druid EUM who is using client side hacks to further his ALREADY broken class by using anti root, anti stun, anti fear and speed hacks ALONG with the ridiculous speed bonus of the druid pvp set. He has been using these hacks since the first 30s bracket started in warsong all the way to 60, he has toned it down due to people catching on, but he is still using hacks, just not as much.

Also.. what is going on with the CRAZY resists on paladins????? My class is a hard counter on both Paladins and druids and while I can still clap Paladins due to my play style and skill, the amount of resists I get is beyond what it should be and that feral druid EUM, I have died over 100 times to him, it is literally impossible for me to kill him in a 1v1 when I have fought gladiator and rank 1 druids in classic and have taken a dump on all of them, I have NEVER lost to a druid in a 1v1 in vanilla, TBC or wrath . He is not only cheating but has a massive advantage and tuned nonsense to begin with. This is the kind of stuff that real serious PVPers will come here and see this and leave right away. They aren't going to bother making a message or post on your forums or complaining, they aren't going to bother, I am finally saying something cause I just ran across this post. I had high hopes for this server, I came here with few arena healers for competitive arenas and from all the unbalanced nonsense, decent macros simply not existing or possible to make even with addons, horrible pet movement and attack issues (warlock), crazy overtuned classes, the cheating and complete lack of understanding how PVP should be, even the PVP sets have been modified in a way that makes them almost useless, like why remove hit rating from them? This kills a lot of specs, especially ones that don't have any talents as fillers.

There are so many small, med and big things that could be done that would not only benefit all the player base but you can bet your ass it would benefit the rise in population on the PVP server, I have seen some great pvpers come and go and have not seen them logged on for weeks now due to nothing being done about any of the issues I stated above.

I play a warlock, but just like a shadow priest, it's a hard counter to druids and I see my fellow spriests get 2 shotted by a feral and really get to thinking on how dumb the person who modified the druids really is, no offense, that's just my 2cents. If you want to do goofy updates about how many people can sit on a bench in the trade district and not address really important things like this then I can assure you, your pvp server will not last very long at all. It's already very low pop and BG ques take hours and only early morning NA afternoon EU times for a few hours, during the evening at peak NA times. Nerfing XP in bgs on the PVP server was another huge mistake. If you do a poll on the PVP server, I can guarantee you 95% of people if not more are against it. More understandable on the PVE server as it's more pve oriented and bgs ques are fairly quick, but on the pvp server, they are not, they are extremely slow in literally every bracket

Are you brand new to Turtle/Octo??

Both the Turtle Devs and the Octo Devs have stated that class balance changes will not be made for PVP.

That said I put hundreds of hours into Pvp on Turtle and I just outright disagree with you guys. I never remember Druids feeling overpowered. Like this whole discussion genuinely confuses me. Theres also only like three or four people making noise about it. Most are complaining about other classes. So you should really ask yourself how much of this is just a personal issue and not actually a balance issue. Like there were extremely geared and experienced players on Twow of all classes and that individual strength and the skill expression that comes from the experience seemed far more important than what class they played. In this case you are likely running into very experienced and good Druid PVPers and instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Also you mentioned decent macros don't exist? Youre using one of the addons that modernize Macros right?

[Brwcht]

I recommend that all PvP players think carefully before choosing this project. Take a close look at the PvP talents and keep in mind that many of them have been significantly reduced, such as “shatter” for mages and "soul link" for warlocks. Strong PvE talents have been introduced, and they unexpectedly turned out to be good for PvP — so good that no one is playing in classic PvP specs anymore. Be careful in your choice.

[Feardotrun]

I recommend that all PvP players think carefully before choosing this project. Take a close look at the PvP talents and keep in mind that many of them have been significantly reduced, such as “shatter” for mages and "soul link" for warlocks. Strong PvE talents have been introduced, and they unexpectedly turned out to be good for PvP — so good that no one is playing in classic PvP specs anymore. Be careful in your choice.

Yeah I noticed that, I didn't look a great deal into it before coming over here with my arena buddies cause I didn't expect a pvp server could be this bad lmao. I noticed the nerf on soul link too, but was like f it.. I'll play drakedog, I wasn't expecting to be 2 shotted by ferals in all 3 specs to be honest, I knew hunters and rogues would be my hard fights, but here it's a kitty

[Feardotrun]

Are you brand new to Turtle/Octo??

Both the Turtle Devs and the Octo Devs have stated that class balance changes will not be made for PVP.

That said I put hundreds of hours into Pvp on Turtle and I just outright disagree with you guys. I never remember Druids feeling overpowered. Like this whole discussion genuinely confuses me. Theres also only like three or four people making noise about it. Most are complaining about other classes. So you should really ask yourself how much of this is just a personal issue and not actually a balance issue. Like there were extremely geared and experienced players on Twow of all classes and that individual strength and the skill expression that comes from the experience seemed far more important than what class they played. In this case you are likely running into very experienced and good Druid PVPers and instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Also you mentioned decent macros don't exist? Youre using one of the addons that modernize Macros right?

Lol you sound like one of the goofies playing a druid. "acknowledging that they're just exceptional players" if mashing 2 buttons to kill a person in 2 shots and being immune to all forms of CC is exceptional then I guess you are both right and dumb. I have run into a total of 5 actually good PVPers on this server, that includes both horde and alliance. You think a class that goes around 2 shotting 99% of the playerbase and getting away from a full 5+ group and living to tell the tale is being exceptional you most def play one.

This has nothing to do with me running into some exceptional player and all to do with that class being completely broken and someone like you who has literally no idea what he's yapping about. Being a good player is knowing when to use certain spells, how to cc, how to position yourself and not just mash 2 buttons and kill everything instantly while being immune to all CC. Have you ever played arena above 1300 or you just yapping

I have over 500 hours into this server and most of it has been PVPing so I think I am more than qualified to speak on it

[Brwcht]

I knew that at this stage I wouldn’t get good PvP slots, but I didn’t think the slots would be completely empty and I would need to go on raids, which I went on so often that it made me feel disgusted, and I stopped playing on TW Telabim before it closed. I was expecting that by rank 10 my character would at least have PvP blue slots, but he’s either naked or wearing PvP gear with only 15 stamina for rank 5. There’s no choice for a single slot — you can only take 1. Set bonuses are useless for some classes and super strong for others.

[Therealvda]

instead of acknowledging that they're just exceptional players you want to make sweeping class changes. I dunno. PVP from my experience is never perfectly balanced and that chaos is one of the things that makes it interesting and prevents it from feeling stale.

Exceptional players? Dude Feral presses Claw and kills any Cloth in 5 GCDs.

I could kill a Shadow Priest as Feral in my sleep, they literally can't CC you the first 52 seconds of the fight ( Berserk first fear, trinket second fear ) and in 52 seconds you can kill 3 Shadow Priests.

You're not just a clown you're the whole circus.