Polls are nice, but...

[Octosephiroth]

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We take em with a grain of salt in general with this front of our minds. But looking forward to seeing the discussion here about how others feel.

I want my vote to mean something.

That being said, any result between 40/60 - 60/40 probably needs more official discussion on the forum before a meaningful vote is held to weigh the possible outcomes.

I do truly appreciate that when something is implemented and it doesn't end up being a good change, it is reverted once enough discussion takes place to merit it.

Thank you.

[Sofka]

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[Wrothag]

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is that the PvE server? more alliance willing to pvp there and more horde on the PvP server. sounds like x-realm BGs would be win-win

[Niyu]

i direct you to line 15 of my previous post.

no. if you want to make good pvp you don't pit dedicated pvp'ers against pve'ers.

you play with your own kind or you mingle with the pve players and play on even levels of dedication/experience across the entire team.

it's really sad that i even have to mention that premade is a thing.

implement cross server BG and you kill BG's. then none can do BG. is that what you want?

edit: and a premade is not even required when 90% of who que from pvp realm are already premade material. focus needs to be on class balance so that when population grow people actually find interest in doing BG. the current design produce players ragequitting. it is not because of twinks, it is because of severely unbalanced class design.

not that people who go up against randoms in a premade ever considered what it takes to have a healthy population and wouldn't ever consider an even battlefield aside from once in a blue moon. would sooner play another game where the ganking can continue.

you ruin enough games.

[Jonseyjones]

70/30 works for osrs. Just go with that. It's a proven method.

[Wrothag]

i direct you to line 15 of my previous post.

no. if you want to make good pvp you don't pit dedicated pvp'ers against pve'ers.

you play with your own kind or you mingle with the pve players and play on even levels of dedication/experience across the entire team.

it's really sad that i even have to mention that premade is a thing.

implement cross server BG and you kill BG's. then none can do BG. is that what you want?

edit: and a premade is not even required when 90% of who que from pvp realm are already premade material. focus needs to be on class balance so that when population grow people actually find interest in doing BG. the current design produce players ragequitting. it is not because of twinks, it is because of severely unbalanced class design.

not that people who go up against randoms in a premade ever considered what it takes to have a healthy population and wouldn't ever consider an even battlefield aside from once in a blue moon. would sooner play another game where the ganking can continue.

you ruin enough games.

Wrong.

It is not like pvp alliance vs pve horde. Both sides get pve and pvp players. Currently on pvp server you can get into randoms vs team on voice comms games. Or pve players queuing for a couple of games vs dedicated pvp players. In reality bigger player pool should be more diversification.

Thats true class balance needs to be addressed.

Also player mentality. Dont give up after the first loss especially if you know theres room for improvement (you are undergeared, less experienced etc.)

edit:
With bigger player pool you can get the premade vs premade games too. Players who premade mostly prefer those games, not steamrolling randoms.

If xrealm will be implemented and i constantly get into games vs premades, guess i will consider organising one for ourselves too.

First goal would be getting BGs to pop more frequently, and thats xrealm to increase the player pool.

[Cudie]

I think most players would agree that cross-realm or cross-faction BGs are better than no BGs at all
It might be introduced as a temporary measure until the population situation improves, but right now the main problem for players is hour-long queues for BGs — and we plan to fix it
If you have any other ideas/suggestions/feedback on how to free players from long BG wait times, please don't hesitate — we'd be happy to hear you out

Thanks, the PVP realm desperately needs it. I don't think we've had a AV pop ever. WSG/AB can be 1-3 hours queue, even when close to peak population times. I know there's some people that have toons on both that would log their PVE toons just to BG. Anything that helps the PVP realm hold population or grow slowly is appreciated... and this, even as temporary measure would help.

[Therealvda]

unless the results are overwhelmingly in favour of one side (80%+ for example),
imo, shouldn't be taken seriously

And let me give u an example:

On Tel'Abim, Alliance had almost insta q, while Horde was waiting for hours
Since the majority of players on the discord were Horde (or at least those who were talking),
it was my impression, that everyone would welcome cross realm BG's

Back on Octo, on Y'Shaarj, Alliance still has way better q than Horde
and although I had the impression again that everyone would welcome cross realm BG's here
even those that switched from Horde to Alliance
I sadly realized that Alliance is voting against it

The reason?
N'zoth has way more Alliance players than Horde and they are afraid of losing the privilege of having insta q

My conclusion : most of the players only care about themselves and not the servers as a whole

Buff my class
nerf all the others
I have insta q, who cares about something as unique as cross realm BG's?

OctoDevs can always ask the community, but they are the only not biased over long term bad decisions

Feel free to disagree or share your view...

The cross realm shit shouldn't be a poll in the first place. Without cross realm BGs the PVP server is dead. I waited 3 hours for a BG pop yesterday. No one's going to play a server like that and it will die.

So the admins can make the right decision that keeps it alive or accept that they're gonna lose 500 players who'll go to Classic+ or whatever else server.

This isn't a matter of opinion or debate, the admins that own this server need to make the right decision or they lose 20% of their population. I don't know why they made a poll in the first place.

The Cross Faction stuff is the same situation, if there's no BG pops because the Alliance refuses to queue, then let the Horde fight itself and that's that. Cross Faction BGs are better than no BGs.