Y'shaarj: no point to queue BGs as a new fresh 60

[Crackadia]

Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

Considering no one in the history of turtle / octo ever "catered to pvp crowd" you can pause your crashouts.

[Doaksie]

Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

Considering no one in the history of turtle / octo ever "catered to pvp crowd" you can pause your crashouts.

I genuinely don't know what Defiant would do with his time if not trolling the pvp realm. His posts and the 1-2 other bad faith commenters who are always needlessly aggressive and rude to pvp realm players are a pretty strong argument for having our own suggestion section separate from the pve realm.

[Nseternal]

Evidence: current gear disparities based off pvp rank

it's clear as fucking day horde win 99% of BGs else the rank spread would be mostly equal.

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[Nseternal]

Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

tl;dr

i got an idea, if you aren't playing on Y'shaarj mind your own fucking business

[Spicyahi]

So ur saying buff paladins because even with 50% of the bg being paladin we got rolled? While micayah is out there 3v1ing people ., also at 60 the amount of pala and shaman players are same.

Skill issue

[Spicyahi]

Evidence: current gear disparities based off pvp rank

it's clear as fucking day horde win 99% of BGs else the rank spread would be mostly equal.

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Well gear disparity is a solvable issue so what exactly are you saying?

[Lavida]

teams should be created with respect to gear score and healers.

if system places 1 big gear score person in team 1, than put 2nd big gear score person in team 2. Distrubute healers equally.

But those require changes in database, devs need to set gear score of each item and keep it in database, maybe in the future, i dont think game has such mechanics right now.

Awarding a little amount of honor / exp could lure some people into queueing.

[Defiant]

teams should be created with respect to gear score and healers.

if system places 1 big gear score person in team 1, than put 2nd big gear score person in team 2. Distrubute healers equally.

But those require changes in database, devs need to set gear score of each item and keep it in database, maybe in the future, i dont think game has such mechanics right now.

Awarding a little amount of honor / exp could lure some people into queueing.

Here's the thing, you already get XP ( plus isnt this about level 60 balance? ) and if you lose the BG you get way more honor than you would if you were actually playing Vanilla. Losing teams used to get even less. The suggestion is a good one, and its been implemented. If you get the same amount of honor from winning as losing that will 100% lead to certain people just slacking off because what's it even matter. Hell I could see it leading to people intentionally throwing matches so that they end as quickly as possible in order to maximize honor gain per hour.

Regarding gear score matchmaking like, it would probably increase queue times substantially. I see a lot of potential issues with a system like that but with the server as small as it is the queue times would probably be the biggest issue. Especially if the BGs arent cross faction and it does seem like the PVP server is very much against cross faction BGs and hey I feel the same way. But that inherently will make queues slower.

As things stand the groups are being made as fast as they can and the queue times are still pretty slow, if you start balancing for gear score and healers then what if 2 alliance healers and 4 horde healers are signed up, so the horde healers just get an hour long queue etc? I get where youre coming from but the system even though it feels flawed was one of if not the most successful PVP systems in any MMO. People loved it as it was. It doesnt need to be "fixed". Matches are never going to feel balanced and that is for better or worse part of the design. Like if the population was large enough I could see matching based off something like gear score and taking consideration for healers possibly work-- but gear only goes so far. A good PVP player can mop the floor with an average player even if the gear favors the average player. You cant really balance for that. Thats especially true on Turtle because a lot of that higher end skill comes down to knowledge. Knowing what you opponents can do and how to counter them is huge and let's be real with all the class changes here I feel that the knowledge gap is way bigger than it would be on Classic. On Classic a huge percentage of PVPers know what most classes are capable of because weve had 20 years of knowledge shared online. On Octo there are a lot of changes and let's be real the majority of players arent aware of every single one of those changes.

Anyways sorry for the wall of text but these issues arent simple to discuss. Theres a lot of nuance that I feel is being ignored.

And to the people telling me to butt out of the conversation because I play on the PVE realm-- I still love PVP and will be spending a considerable amount of my time in BGs so I do in fact have a horse in this race. Changes made to PVP balance and BGs will definitely impact me.

[Knifewrench]

teams should be created with respect to gear score and healers.

if system places 1 big gear score person in team 1, than put 2nd big gear score person in team 2. Distrubute healers equally.

But those require changes in database, devs need to set gear score of each item and keep it in database, maybe in the future, i dont think game has such mechanics right now.

Awarding a little amount of honor / exp could lure some people into queueing.

So i qeue naked and then equip my gear once in the bg? Also this is about yshaarj how u gonna split heals and gear across teams ? U want xfaction?

[Knifewrench]

So ur saying buff paladins because even with 50% of the bg being paladin we got rolled? While micayah is out there 3v1ing people ., also at 60 the amount of pala and shaman players are same.

Skill issue

True but his argument makes no sense?