Nightfall community Dispute

[Shadowmak]

zero sympathy for fucking scammer stealing items, this man should be perma banned and gm removed from game. read octowow rules this fall 100% under scamming because price is adjusted after the deal and item withhold. this is extortion/blackmail. u guys can all pretend its not because the buyer was rude. but the seller is a criminal.

How can you adjust something that did not exist before? If they never talked about the price, it doesn't mean it is automatically zero. No rule says that. So it did not exist so they couldn't adjust something that did not exist before hand. The seller tried to fix it and tried to agree on price.

If u dont ask a fee and say any tip is fine 0g is a tip aswell, extorting someone for money while u hold their 500g in mats hostage is blackmailing. Thats intentionally making sure u first get their posesion before negotiating a price wich by definition is extortion, seeing crafter intentionaly crafted the item and put himself in a position he cant gibe back the mats and cancel the deal is not the fault of the buyer eventho giving 0g tip is rude. I qoute the rule seeing u guys clearly didnt read em
"Agreeing to a transaction only to steal the materials or attempt to extort a higher price is considered scamming, and is forbidden on our network."

And that is the issue. You are just assuming the crafter wanted to scam the hunter. By reading the communication, I believe he just wanted to say "whoa, tip 0 is kinda d*ck move, u sure bro?" and never got a chance to proceed with the transaction if hunter insisted on 0 tip. I think revisiting it like this and asking u sure is valid move and not extortion or scamming. If that would repeat though I'd agree with you.

[Knifewrench]

How can you adjust something that did not exist before? If they never talked about the price, it doesn't mean it is automatically zero. No rule says that. So it did not exist so they couldn't adjust something that did not exist before hand. The seller tried to fix it and tried to agree on price.

If u dont ask a fee and say any tip is fine 0g is a tip aswell, extorting someone for money while u hold their 500g in mats hostage is blackmailing. Thats intentionally making sure u first get their posesion before negotiating a price wich by definition is extortion, seeing crafter intentionaly crafted the item and put himself in a position he cant gibe back the mats and cancel the deal is not the fault of the buyer eventho giving 0g tip is rude. I qoute the rule seeing u guys clearly didnt read em
"Agreeing to a transaction only to steal the materials or attempt to extort a higher price is considered scamming, and is forbidden on our network."

And that is the issue. You are just assuming the crafter wanted to scam the rogue. By reading the communication, I believe he just wanted to say "whoa, tip 0 is kinda d*ck move, u sure bro?" and never got a chance to proceed with the transaction if hunter insisted on 0 tip. I think revisiting it like this and asking u sure is valid move and not extortion or scamming. If that would repeat though I'd agree with you.

The moment refuses to accept 0g tip is the moment his intent became extorting, did u read the chat in pictures? Also crafter is a warrior and its a hunter wanting the item, rogue cant even wield nightfall.

[Ziggler]

Tbh zero sympathy to anyone that doesn't tip. You got what you deserved.

im amazed he continues to publicly embarrass himself like this ....

[Uggerbugger]

im amazed he continues to publicly embarrass himself like this ....

Not sure why you are talking as if all public opinion is "buyers" side. I am amazed you are defending that behavior as if that's how we want people to be; people doing you a favor, then you exploit them.

EDIT: I might have misunderstood who Ziggler refered to, if thats the case: sorry, move along!