2026-07-29

[Zvyrhol]

Is the pvp exp change really necessary? Just because it's better than questing xp/hr doesn't mean you should nerf it, are you going to nerf aoe levelling as well because it's faster? People are actually pvping for once and you do something that will gut it

Yes, at least for 40-49 and 50-59 brackets the leveling was too good. It caused some PvPers to stay at 59 lv because PvPing in that bracket was more active while 60 bracket wasn't as alive as it could be. It was the Ambershire problem, too, on Turtle WoW.

So because people were twinking, this is a bad thing? Lol.

No, it was different issue. Some PvPers who wanted short queues prefered to stay at 50-59 instead of level up to 60. Just because 50-59 was more active. 60 was more dead. They decided to twink just because of that. Some of them of course, not all.

[Kestrel]

if you ran a poll you'd find out whose the majority in the 2xp vs 1xp on the PvP server. People don't usually come in here and voice their opinions, they all usually do it on discord.

Nice to know y'all arent considering players thoughts and instead are going with what you all assume is best for the PvP server.

We are considering players thoughts, but are prioritizing what we think will be best for our servers. The players want more EXP, we disagree. Neither knows which is the best long term answer.

[Zvyrhol]

Also, I think people misunderstood what is written in the changelog.

BGs experience affect only levels below 33. So battleground activity in 10-19 and 20-29 should remain the same.
Also, I believe that after lv 33 it's not sharp 50% decline in XP gain, this decline should be smooth. We will see how it is in game.

[Zvyrhol]

@Kestrel

You are online so may I ask. How much % XP you get at level 40, 50 with that change compared to old balance? Is level 33 magical barrier that decreases your XP gained by 50%?

[Xallog2]

We've been asking for 2xp since the start. HONOR TEL'ABIM the way it used to be.

This new nerf is going backwards of what the pvp playerbase has been asking for. Please keep those pve changes to the pve server.

2xP would help alliviate this new change.

Yeah some people have been asking for that, many have not. Increasing EXP rates is something we don't think is healthy for the server. Perhaps we are wrong, but clearly Tel'Abim had some issues with it. There is one way to find out and the answer is not to listen to the loudest people on the forums who just say "server will die without 2x! We just want to be lvl 60!".

if you ran a poll you'd find out whose the majority in the 2xp vs 1xp on the PvP server. People don't usually come in here and voice their opinions, they all usually do it on discord.

Nice to know y'all arent considering players thoughts and instead are going with what you all assume is best for the PvP server.

ignoring player feedback? truly is blizzlike

[Moonchee]

if you ran a poll you'd find out whose the majority in the 2xp vs 1xp on the PvP server. People don't usually come in here and voice their opinions, they all usually do it on discord.

Nice to know y'all arent considering players thoughts and instead are going with what you all assume is best for the PvP server.

We are considering players thoughts, but are prioritizing what we think will be best for our servers. The players want more EXP, we disagree. Neither knows which is the best long term answer.

Considering players thoughts by going agaisn't the grain of what the majority of pvp players have been asking for?
You stated MANY players have been asking for slow rates? WHERE? lol

You even said it yourself, The players want more EXP, we disagree.

You might aswell merge the servers now and just cater to the PVErs. Respectfully, the people making decisions for the PVP server are too disconnected with the community.

[Reiker]

sad. i liked bg leveling

Why is everyone acting like they removed BGs?

[Xallog2]

if you ran a poll you'd find out whose the majority in the 2xp vs 1xp on the PvP server. People don't usually come in here and voice their opinions, they all usually do it on discord.

Nice to know y'all arent considering players thoughts and instead are going with what you all assume is best for the PvP server.

We are considering players thoughts, but are prioritizing what we think will be best for our servers. The players want more EXP, we disagree. Neither knows which is the best long term answer.

How can you say this and then waffle about ''yeah changing exp is something to discuss/talk about''. You're just lying to placate people by trying to push it down the road.

[Xallog2]

sad. i liked bg leveling

Why is everyone acting like they removed BGs?

Let's be real, 90% of the non 60s only did bgs for the fast levelling, me included. If it's the same as questing why would anyone bother? You don't get gold from bgs you do from questing.

[Kestrel]

https://imgur.com/a/PrlX9sm

To give you an idea Kestrel ; "the loudest people on the forums" kinda answer isn't one you can pull with us because you're fully disconnected from the actual community on the PvP server. We are not.

The "community" discord would have you guys on the guillotine if this was 1789 France. I can also pull up the largest PvP server horde guild discord <Care Bears> (they're 50% of horde and that's not a figure of speech) and they all want 2x ; their GM/officer team has explicitly stated it multiple times on the forums here — they're the MC clear horde side — I can pull up from my guild <Sons of Mukla>'s discord and we all want 2x — we're the largest alliance side guild and the MC clear alliance side ; most members in CB or SoM aren't 60 yet and would very much like to join the rest of us.

The messages you see are normal reactions because none of us want to grind through shit over and over again more so when the values aren't what we were used to — to you guys being so tone deaf.

The PvP server has many players that very much would like to join but are put off by the grind and the idea that they'd have to constantly get ganked in their starter zones by unhinged level 60's due to permanent Warmode making them low hanging fruit for shits and giggles from cognitively impaired griefers which the PvE server doesn't have to deal with.

You guys trying to be some "fresh" version of Twow is a delusional mindset and you further cripple yourselves with not only bad faith replies but straight up misconstruing what the players actually want.
Capy has already or is restoring saved character data from the SEA servers and no one is complaining about it because that's exactly what people want.

We're fine with a lot of things like having to go through MC/Ony/BWL/AQ/Naxx again to reach K40 and other end game raids like TMH or whatever you guys have in store for us and we're seriously thankful that you guys have endeavored to restore Twow, but this is a different thing altogether!

You're currently the only "low ping option" in EU but with how you're currently managing things if Capy opens an EU server you will lose nearly the entire player base within a few months.

Maybe grinding new character after new character is your thing... maybe your character being permanently deleted is your thing too ; we want to play the end game for most of us be it PvP or raids! We've already cleared MC but so many players are so far behind in leveling that they're getting discouraged and you just added an extra layer on top of already existing problems.

No one is asking for a free level 60 boost — that was never mentioned by anyone, why even bring that up as an attempted argument? That's strawmanning and sophistry.

I'm exclusively talking about the PvP server here and want to make that extra clear.

Screenshots of singular messages on the discord is not very convincing, maybe include the whole conversation? Besides we are not letting players dictate every decision on the server some decisions will be unpopular just like some of turtle wow's decisions were.

The community discord would have executed us a dozen times over by now, they would have done the same to turtle wow, yet here we all are. The argument that "we don't want this" is not holding water I have explained why we made this choice and your response thus far has only been points that I have refuted and "but we don't want that!". If that is all you have then perhaps the conversation has run it's course and we will just have to see how things pan out in the coming weeks.

Like said a dozen times now, if you want to skip the grind then that is fine, that is not what our server is for and it never will be. That also is a conversation around general EXP rates not BG's being 50% more EXP than other leveling methods.

I don't doubt that many are put off joining a new server due to the prospect of grinding to 60 again. I don't fault them either, but this is not their server if that is how they feel there are plenty of servers that offer 2x exp rates out there, we are not one of them. If they don't want to be ganked then it sounds like they want a PvE server which we have.

See when I pointed out the prospect of bad faith reply's I said exactly how they would be made, if you claim my reply's are in bad faith you'll need to elaborate.

I don't know what people are or aren't complaining about on Capy, we are not them and don't aim to be. Although I did hear from someone they are giving out guaranteed purples now which is wild.

I understand and empathize with those who don't want to grind a new character. I have been stuck below level 30 on my personal toon (I don't get to play much now in days) and really would love to just be 60 already as well, but that is not how this game works and not how this server works.

Ultimately I don't even personally have a strong opposition to 2x exp rates for the PvP server, but I do agree with the rest of the team that it would be a short sighted change and would likely harm the server long term for a myriad of different reasons. But once again that feels like a whole different thread.