Y'shaarj: no point to queue BGs as a new fresh 60

[Therealvda]

this guy don't seem to understand that for BG's to pop both sides need to have people in the queue and whichever side have less people will have shorter queue.

a problem that only increase if server population rise and faction imbalance remain.

im curious about the real reason so many horde rolled alliance this time around. it's definitely not for shorter queue or the IQ levels are far worse than i ever imagined.

given how horde side is heavily populated on the pvp realm that shed a light on the answer, but i don't think that's the full answer.

and considering how many on the pvp realm deem the realm dead, maybe just merge into the pve. however there was a word of players being there because there's no cross faction BS. so beyond about time to end that bullshit on the pve realm to.

hearing there is no cross realm bg there made it very tempting to roll on the pvp realm, but meeh. it's a pve game first of all.

the end of cross faction BG when?

do you have any idea of how many levels of wrong it is to pop into WSG having to fight for the horde as a night elf? ETC.

it is obvious that turtle devs and the playerbase who supported this have absolutely no idea how to develop the game.

even blizzard ain't that R.

Cross faction BGs are better than no BGs/3 hour queues.

The PvE realm has more Alliance, the PVP realm has more Horde.

If Cross Realm BGs still have 3 hour queue issues, then we can do cross-faction, cross-realm BGs and the problem should be fixed.

[Therealvda]

server first AV last night was an absolute PUBSTOMP by horde who managed to kill both korrak and vandar in an hour. every BG only serves to increase the already wide gear disparity. so i've stopped playing here until a merger.

This... isn't true?

The AV lasted almost 2 hours, with the Alliance defending in their own base once they started losing the map, which is the way that BG is meant to be played instead of both sides ignoring each other and rushing to PvE the NPCs for maximum honor/hour.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... y=lossless

(and yes shaman is SO BUSTED OP here they carry entire BGs just plowing through alliance with their extreme burst dmg and self-sustain.)

Paladin is a million times worse, overtuned, overloaded kit and never goes OOM.

[Nseternal]

server first AV last night was an absolute PUBSTOMP by horde who managed to kill both korrak and vandar in an hour. every BG only serves to increase the already wide gear disparity. so i've stopped playing here until a merger.

This... isn't true?

The AV lasted almost 2 hours, with the Alliance defending in their own base once they started losing the map, which is the way that BG is meant to be played instead of both sides ignoring each other and rushing to PvE the NPCs for maximum honor/hour.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... y=lossless

(and yes shaman is SO BUSTED OP here they carry entire BGs just plowing through alliance with their extreme burst dmg and self-sustain.)

Paladin is a million times worse, overtuned, overloaded kit and never goes OOM.

it was 1 hour in real effort, then 1 hour in alliance turtle when they should have moved out of the way and ended it cuz there is no coming back from a total CURBSTOMP.

your screenshot even has a shaman as #1

[Niyu]

Cross faction BGs are better than no BGs/3 hour queues.

It is not.

It's also already made many leave the server and keeping people out from BG. And making queue system broken from people leaving instantly and "always" being put on wrong faction as a chain reaction.

It's completely against how the game should work.

BG is a tiny part of the game, if your queue is to long go do something else.

[Holydruid]

Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

[Therealvda]

Cross faction BGs are better than no BGs/3 hour queues.

It is not.

It's also already made many leave the server and keeping people out from BG. And making queue system broken from people leaving instantly and "always" being put on wrong faction as a chain reaction.

It's completely against how the game should work.

BG is a tiny part of the game, if your queue is to long go do something else.

Yes it is. And the people who will leave due to cross faction BGs are a fraction of the people who will leave if BGs never pop.

BG is a tiny part of the game, if your queue is to long go do something else.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. So you think cross faction BGs are catastrophic but... BGs never popping is not?

Bruh what?

Even ignoring the stupidity of your argument, BGs not popping for hours is simply unacceptable and a bad look for the server. It makes it look dead and people will stop logging in.

[Niyu]

BGs not popping for hours is simply unacceptable and a bad look for the server. It makes it look dead and people will stop logging in.

If it is dead (which it is not) be more focused on why it is dead, or dying. Instead of advocating for what is actively killing it. Which cross faction BG do, among other things. The little extra juice you get from cross faction is not worth the squeeze.
You are alienating a lot of people. You can even tell on many who are "forced" to play against their own faction how they perform. Some have the most passive "meeh" gameplay i ever seen, and it is not because they are low level for the bracket or whatever. They are active, they just choose not to attack their true allies.

Cross faction BG go against the roots of this game. It is devastating.

You are so worried about population, dead server bla bla. Yes the population is small and BG participation is very small. For good reasons. People come and are shocked how insanely bad it is, they don't just leave the BG. They leave the server. Expecting such a modified client to actually be better than vanilla or classic, when it is not. Entering BG and seeing all the BS.

If you want such levels of alien gameplay go play ascension, epoch or something.

[Nseternal]

Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

i am agreeing with what others in this thread say about shaman being OP. it's clear the class does carry horde bgs due to the fact all horde is full pvp gear here and continue to win 99% of bgs. very first AV is a steamroll should be a clear indicator. the only way alliance has a chance to win is through premades which don't happen due to server being dead.

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

[Therealvda]

If it is dead (which it is not) be more focused on why it is dead, or dying. Instead of advocating for what is actively killing it. Which cross faction BG do, among other things. The little extra juice you get from cross faction is not worth the squeeze.
You are alienating a lot of people. You can even tell on many who are "forced" to play against their own faction how they perform. Some have the most passive "meeh" gameplay i ever seen, and it is not because they are low level for the bracket or whatever. They are active, they just choose not to attack their true allies.

Cross faction BG go against the roots of this game. It is devastating.

You are so worried about population, dead server bla bla. Yes the population is small and BG participation is very small. For good reasons. People come and are shocked how insanely bad it is, they don't just leave the BG. They leave the server. Expecting such a modified client to actually be better than vanilla or classic, when it is not. Entering BG and seeing all the BS.

If you want such levels of alien gameplay go play ascension, epoch or something.

Epoch was way closer to Classic than Turtle/Octo is, what.

Your argument makes no sense. You seem to think that people would rather stay 3 hours in queue and fight Alliance than 10 minutes in queue and fight each other. That's complete malarkey.

Unless you're an unemployed bum, you don't have all day to sit in queue. You want to log in and do some PvP. Clearly World PVP isn't an option since the server has a 400 pop, which leaves BGs. So waiting 3 hours for a BG pop is simply unacceptable.

This needs to be changed ASAP and the fastest way to do that is cross realm BGs. If that doesn't work, cross faction BGs is the next best thing.

[Defiant]

Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.