Y'shaarj: no point to queue BGs as a new fresh 60

[Therealvda]

Cross faction BGs are better than no BGs/3 hour queues.

It is not.

It's also already made many leave the server and keeping people out from BG. And making queue system broken from people leaving instantly and "always" being put on wrong faction as a chain reaction.

It's completely against how the game should work.

BG is a tiny part of the game, if your queue is to long go do something else.

Yes it is. And the people who will leave due to cross faction BGs are a fraction of the people who will leave if BGs never pop.

BG is a tiny part of the game, if your queue is to long go do something else.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. So you think cross faction BGs are catastrophic but... BGs never popping is not?

Bruh what?

Even ignoring the stupidity of your argument, BGs not popping for hours is simply unacceptable and a bad look for the server. It makes it look dead and people will stop logging in.

[Niyu]

BGs not popping for hours is simply unacceptable and a bad look for the server. It makes it look dead and people will stop logging in.

If it is dead (which it is not) be more focused on why it is dead, or dying. Instead of advocating for what is actively killing it. Which cross faction BG do, among other things. The little extra juice you get from cross faction is not worth the squeeze.
You are alienating a lot of people. You can even tell on many who are "forced" to play against their own faction how they perform. Some have the most passive "meeh" gameplay i ever seen, and it is not because they are low level for the bracket or whatever. They are active, they just choose not to attack their true allies.

Cross faction BG go against the roots of this game. It is devastating.

You are so worried about population, dead server bla bla. Yes the population is small and BG participation is very small. For good reasons. People come and are shocked how insanely bad it is, they don't just leave the BG. They leave the server. Expecting such a modified client to actually be better than vanilla or classic, when it is not. Entering BG and seeing all the BS.

If you want such levels of alien gameplay go play ascension, epoch or something.

[Nseternal]

Shamans is so OP.. even the only reason we win BG.. as Shaman carry us so hard... omg.. what shall we do without shamans... to bad ya'll still lose and get owned even without shamans. Dont forget the "OP" feral druids.. oh wait we had 1, me.. in pve tank spec. Yet every single Ally BG is like this.... 50% or more are pallies. Cut the crap.

i am agreeing with what others in this thread say about shaman being OP. it's clear the class does carry horde bgs due to the fact all horde is full pvp gear here and continue to win 99% of bgs. very first AV is a steamroll should be a clear indicator. the only way alliance has a chance to win is through premades which don't happen due to server being dead.

pug v pug horde win all the time due to current gear disparity and pvp imbalances favoring horde.

[Therealvda]

If it is dead (which it is not) be more focused on why it is dead, or dying. Instead of advocating for what is actively killing it. Which cross faction BG do, among other things. The little extra juice you get from cross faction is not worth the squeeze.
You are alienating a lot of people. You can even tell on many who are "forced" to play against their own faction how they perform. Some have the most passive "meeh" gameplay i ever seen, and it is not because they are low level for the bracket or whatever. They are active, they just choose not to attack their true allies.

Cross faction BG go against the roots of this game. It is devastating.

You are so worried about population, dead server bla bla. Yes the population is small and BG participation is very small. For good reasons. People come and are shocked how insanely bad it is, they don't just leave the BG. They leave the server. Expecting such a modified client to actually be better than vanilla or classic, when it is not. Entering BG and seeing all the BS.

If you want such levels of alien gameplay go play ascension, epoch or something.

Epoch was way closer to Classic than Turtle/Octo is, what.

Your argument makes no sense. You seem to think that people would rather stay 3 hours in queue and fight Alliance than 10 minutes in queue and fight each other. That's complete malarkey.

Unless you're an unemployed bum, you don't have all day to sit in queue. You want to log in and do some PvP. Clearly World PVP isn't an option since the server has a 400 pop, which leaves BGs. So waiting 3 hours for a BG pop is simply unacceptable.

This needs to be changed ASAP and the fastest way to do that is cross realm BGs. If that doesn't work, cross faction BGs is the next best thing.

[Defiant]

Its funny. I see all these elitist PVPers shitting on the PVE crowd. I stepped into BGs on Nordanaar as a fresh 60 when people had Naxx on farm for literal years. And I still had fun because I actually enjoy PVP.

And youre complaining about the disparity between a fresh 60 and people with MC/K10 gear?

Catering to the PVP crowd was a mistake. Yall will never be happy. You will all spam and promote negativity endlessly. These forums would look completely different if it wasn't for the endless PVP whiners. It would be a place of actual community-- now its just PVP chuds with the intelligence of 11 year olds spamming every thread crying about how the game isnt designed precisely the way they want it and hell even among yourselves as a group you complain-- theres no real consensus among the PVP crowd as to how things should be handled outside of maybe the fact that you all want easy mode leveling. So if you all cant even come to a consensus that means literally anything the devs do will be met with a chorus of negativity by at least half of the PVP player base. You absolute children are creating a lose lose situation for the devs because no matter what they do at least half of you will endlessly spam negativity. Put yourselves in their shoes, how long would you put up with this crap? But thats asking way too much from you intellectually stunted chuds.

[Niyu]

Epoch was way closer to Classic than Turtle/Octo is, what.

Your argument makes no sense. You seem to think that people would rather stay 3 hours in queue and fight Alliance than 10 minutes in queue and fight each other. That's complete malarkey.

Unless you're an unemployed bum, you don't have all day to sit in queue. You want to log in and do some PvP. Clearly World PVP isn't an option since the server has a 400 pop, which leaves BGs. So waiting 3 hours for a BG pop is simply unacceptable.

This needs to be changed ASAP and the fastest way to do that is cross realm BGs. If that doesn't work, cross faction BGs is the next best thing.

You seem to think there are only one solution to multiple problems. Problems that are not even related to cross faction.

If it's world PVP you want there's plenty of warmode enabled on the PVE server. You clearly have a population and twink problem on the PVP server and you are addressing it in all the wrong ways.

The reasonable solution is to merge the servers. Everyone get what they want, aside from the many who do not want cross faction BG. So cross faction BG should go alongside the merge, preferably yesterday.

Horde is already twinking hard on the PVE server. The famous horde twinks from the PVP server would feel at home and get world PVP alongside it. It would be absolute win win for horde. Total loss for alliance as the BG's there will also die off from one side being dedicated to twink PVE and another side not taking it nearly as serious.

I appreciated having the hardcore PVP'ers separated, but after seeing the same twinking from horde on PVE realm there is no point of having it separated.

And anyway not only do you want cross faction BG, you also want cross realm. You clearly just want to kill BG's. And from what is happening on both servers you are getting exactly what you want.

Possibly why you want cross faction is so you can fight your own when you have killed off the alliance to no longer que and still want to PVP. I highly doubt, that's not why you're twinking. And you don't seem like the 1% of twinks who actually like competition.

I'm just going to have to guess that many horde who have rolled alliance this time actually did so to even out a clear disproportion of dedicated PVP'ers. At least I like to think so and I have not been given other reasons.

You want the PVE server to suffer your PVP server problems. The entitlement is legendary.

Have fun continuing to destroy PVP for the vast majority of players. Including horde. Roflstomp and GY camping is not PVP. I could go on about the dirty tactics horde use, but you already know. You are clearly one of them.

It is not PVP you want. You want to gank. Ganking is not PVP. And you run like a little girl once there's a minor chance you will lose the fight when you have spent the last two hours ganking people clearly weaker than you.

You have no honor. You do not belong in a battleground. Go play a proper PVP game, but of course you don't. You would find a match there.

[Therealvda]

You seem to think there are only one solution to multiple problems. Problems that are not even related to cross faction.

If it's world PVP you want there's plenty of warmode enabled on the PVE server. You clearly have a population and twink problem on the PVP server and you are addressing it in all the wrong ways.

The reasonable solution is to merge the servers. Everyone get what they want, aside from the many who do not want cross faction BG. So cross faction BG should go alongside the merge, preferably yesterday.

Sure, merge them. Make them both PvP.

Horde is already twinking hard on the PVE server. The famous horde twinks from the PVP server would feel at home and get world PVP alongside it. It would be absolute win win for horde. Total loss for alliance as the BG's there will also die off from one side being dedicated to twink PVE and another side not taking it nearly as serious

No one gives a fuck about twinks. They're like little mentally challenged kids playing in the sandbox.

And anyway not only do you want cross faction BG, you also want cross realm. You clearly just want to kill BG's. And from what is happening on both servers you are getting exactly what you want.

What part of 'BG queues take hours' don't you get? BGs are already killed/dead. Crossrealm and Crossfaction is what is needed to revive them. You may not like it, but crossrealm/crossfaction is better than no BGs at all and if you can't understand why 2 is a larger number than 1 then I don't think I'm qualified to deal with whatever issues you got up there.

Possibly why you want cross faction is so you can fight your own when you have killed off the alliance to no longer que and still want to PVP. I highly doubt, that's not why you're twinking. And you don't seem like the 1% of twinks who actually like competition.

I'm not twinking anything, I have one lvl 60 character. Take your pills.

You want the PVE server to suffer your PVP server problems. The entitlement is legendary.

The PvP server is suffering because the PvE server was released 1 month early, so when the PvP server launched it had a low pop and anyone who came to the server went to PvE instead. From where I'm standing it's the least we're owed for how badly the Admins managed the PvP server's release.

Have fun continuing to destroy PVP for the vast majority of players. Including horde. Roflstomp and GY camping is not PVP. I could go on about the dirty tactics horde use, but you already know. You are clearly one of them.

Making BGs pop instead of last 3 hours does not 'destroy PvP'. You are using terms that make no sense.

It is not PVP you want. You want to gank. Ganking is not PVP. And you run like a little girl once there's a minor chance you will lose the fight when you have spent the last two hours ganking people clearly weaker than you.

You don't get to decide what is and isn't PvP. You can't even make a logical argument.

You have no honor. You do not belong in a battleground. Go play a proper PVP game, but of course you don't. You would find a match there.

WoW is a proper PvP game and you don't get to decide where I belong. You also don't get to tell me what to do.

Take your pills.

[Niyu]

Thank you for your contribution. Next!

[Therealvda]

Thank you for your contribution. Next!

Glad you realised you were wrong. Have a great day.

[Niyu]

Glad you realised you were wrong. Have a great day.

In my conversation with you I have realised something entirely different. And I am thankful for that. Truly.