Twinks ruin PvP

[Ollie]

Debate as old as time. In the end blizzard did decide to add xp locked queues, which killed twinking, because twinks are not being created to fight even fights -> Less low level bgs popping.

Question is if the community would vote for less bgs without twinks or for more bgs with twinks. Curious to see the poll results.

just make it so they have their own brackets duh!!!

twinks only twinking to lord over people with less gear, like obviously

pvp in lower brackets still going to work without the fatties because it gives huge XP the only reason were putting up with it in the first place like hello

[Sheluvsramar2]

It's not unreasonable to XP lock at 39 or 49 and farm your BIS items with guildies/friends, progression isnt linear what-so-ever.

You can do this at 19 even and get all the best gear, you may lack on enchants, but there are tons of low level farms and resources to make money when your XP locked as a solo char twink.

"Make a bracket for twinks" doesnt work, because at what gear level/item level determines a twink? furthermore you may as well only make BGs with a bare minimum 5 level difference if this is the argument being made because this is the true problem for people crying about getting smashed by higher levels.

[Uggerbugger]

Separate queue for xp locked is a great idea, I was not aware that had been done. And ofc twinking is the optimal way to destroy the value and fun of normal players, so it's an obvious win for the servers.

[Collinswood1]

It's not unreasonable to XP lock at 39 or 49 and farm your BIS items with guildies/friends, progression isnt linear what-so-ever.

You can do this at 19 even and get all the best gear, you may lack on enchants, but there are tons of low level farms and resources to make money when your XP locked as a solo char twink.

"Make a bracket for twinks" doesnt work, because at what gear level/item level determines a twink? furthermore you may as well only make BGs with a bare minimum 5 level difference if this is the argument being made because this is the true problem for people crying about getting smashed by higher levels.

Blizzard managed to make Twink only BGs, so why cant Octo eh?

[Sheluvsramar2]

It's not unreasonable to XP lock at 39 or 49 and farm your BIS items with guildies/friends, progression isnt linear what-so-ever.

You can do this at 19 even and get all the best gear, you may lack on enchants, but there are tons of low level farms and resources to make money when your XP locked as a solo char twink.

"Make a bracket for twinks" doesnt work, because at what gear level/item level determines a twink? furthermore you may as well only make BGs with a bare minimum 5 level difference if this is the argument being made because this is the true problem for people crying about getting smashed by higher levels.

Blizzard managed to make Twink only BGs, so why cant Octo eh?

Blizzard also managed to devolve our game into shit slop over the last 20 yrs, but twink only BGs takes the cake amirite.

The real problem is +5 level difference, and premades.

Twink Brackets occured Post-Wrath in MoP IIRC, please elaborate on the systems and mechanics work to make this possible from an xpac that released 8+ yrs after vanilla and is essentially a different game than the one we play.

[Uggerbugger]

It's not unreasonable to XP lock at 39 or 49 and farm your BIS items with guildies/friends, progression isnt linear what-so-ever.

You can do this at 19 even and get all the best gear, you may lack on enchants, but there are tons of low level farms and resources to make money when your XP locked as a solo char twink.

"Make a bracket for twinks" doesnt work, because at what gear level/item level determines a twink? furthermore you may as well only make BGs with a bare minimum 5 level difference if this is the argument being made because this is the true problem for people crying about getting smashed by higher levels.

Blizzard managed to make Twink only BGs, so why cant Octo eh?

Blizzard also managed to devolve our game into shit slop over the last 20 yrs, but twink only BGs takes the cake amirite.

The real problem is +5 level difference, and premades.

Twink Brackets occured Post-Wrath in MoP IIRC, please elaborate on the systems and mechanics work to make this possible from an xpac that released 8+ yrs after vanilla and is essentially a different game than the one we play.

Heh, which players to put in a spesific battleground is entirely up to the server - which is a fully reverse engineered piece of code that the developers fully control - and that knows if a character is level locked or not. The client is responsible for displaying the group of players returned from the server, hence it does not care if the players returned by the server was 10x39 level locked twinks or a random group of non level locked players. Clearly it does not even care which faction these players come from. Do you need more elaboration?

[Sheluvsramar2]

Blizzard managed to make Twink only BGs, so why cant Octo eh?

Blizzard also managed to devolve our game into shit slop over the last 20 yrs, but twink only BGs takes the cake amirite.

The real problem is +5 level difference, and premades.

Twink Brackets occured Post-Wrath in MoP IIRC, please elaborate on the systems and mechanics work to make this possible from an xpac that released 8+ yrs after vanilla and is essentially a different game than the one we play.

Heh, which players to put in a spesific battleground is entirely up to the server - which is a fully reverse engineered piece of code that the developers fully control - and that knows if a character is level locked or not. The client is responsible for displaying the group of players returned from the server, hence it does not care if the players returned by the server was 10x39 level locked twinks or a random group of non level locked players. Clearly it does not even care which faction these players come from. Do you need more elaboration?

Proud of you, I knew you could do it.

Now how does this solve players who will just twink their char the old fashioned way WITHOUT level locking?

[Uggerbugger]

Blizzard also managed to devolve our game into shit slop over the last 20 yrs, but twink only BGs takes the cake amirite.

The real problem is +5 level difference, and premades.

Twink Brackets occured Post-Wrath in MoP IIRC, please elaborate on the systems and mechanics work to make this possible from an xpac that released 8+ yrs after vanilla and is essentially a different game than the one we play.

Heh, which players to put in a spesific battleground is entirely up to the server - which is a fully reverse engineered piece of code that the developers fully control - and that knows if a character is level locked or not. The client is responsible for displaying the group of players returned from the server, hence it does not care if the players returned by the server was 10x39 level locked twinks or a random group of non level locked players. Clearly it does not even care which faction these players come from. Do you need more elaboration?

Proud of you, I knew you could do it.

Now how does this solve players who will just twink their char the old fashioned way WITHOUT level locking?

They get xp (so much it was recently nerfed), and move to the next bracket? Believe it or not, when they go from 39 to 40, they suddenly are not as powerful anymore

[Pekhadow]

Why? Because raiding at level 60 is something I really dislike. I don't enjoy reading guides before I even play, and I don't enjoy listening to people explain every mechanic during a raid. It completely ruins the sense of immersion.

Unfortunately, the game is simply too old. Some players have done it countless times already, while others just want to rush through everything. Putting together a full 40-man progression raid where everyone is learning from scratch is basically impossible.

This is funny, because there were absolutely 40-man (and otherwise) progression raids on Nordinaar, where people were all learning together rather than watching guides. Not only that, but with the last turtle patch, several raids got new bosses/mechanics (BWL/Ony mainly) and an entirely new raid was released: Timbermaw Hold. When Timbermaw Hold came out, everyone had the same opportunity to figure it out for themselves. The raid had a lot of unforgiving mechanics that could wipe the entire raid and only a few prevailed early. Most people, after a few wipes, just wanted to let everyone else figure the mechanics out.

People will always make excuses to protect their ego.

That being said about raids, when it comes to PVP, I'm actually on the side of 'do whatever you want' on twinking. Some of my friends who don't have the time to sink into leveling want to have a good time in the lower brackets, 10-19 / 20-29. Obviously, the ability to level lock is central to this. Just getting a few dungeon blues and greens of your level is enough to be called a twink in these brackets. There is such a thing as an 'arms race' and anyone who I've seen level lock at least has some armor kits and usually will consume healing potions in the field. These are things I see as reasonably obtainable by level 19s without the assistance of higher level characters/mains/alts. A 'true twink' will have endgame enchantments (+25 Agi 2h), gems, and be fully bis with quest items that are not reasonably obtainable in the bracket at level "X9". These 'true twinks' are few and far between.... we've been running 10-19 bracket (my friends and myself) and we ran into ONE such geared hunter, and he ended up joining us, because we are always in there having a blast together, regardless what we're up against.

There is not a 'twink epidemic' evident at the 19 and 29 brackets, at least not yet. Source: I play those brackets regularly. 39 and 49 might be different, but I'd guess it's still a very small percentage that are locking at x9 and getting full bis.

People will be higher level than you (even at 19 someone can ding 20 inside the bg)
People will have better gear than you (even semi twinks will face this)
People will queue in groups and outplay you (remember they are having fun together)
If you cannot accept the above, maybe you don't enjoy the battlegrounds/PVP aspect of WoW.
Long-term twinks will always exist, so long as you can lock your EXP.

Hope this helps

I haven't played WoW for a while since my last reply.

Everything I’ve said is based on my own experience. I am stating objective facts not just trying to console myself.

My time zone is vastly different from yours, and the player base here is completely different too. I wish I could encounter the kind of players you described, but that’s virtually impossible in my region. I live in GMT+8 time zone. Essentially, the time I log off to rest is when you guys are logging on.

Honestly, I envy your player community. But It's OK, enjoy your game.

[Pekhadow]

Keep crying and defending Twinking, it is okay, we understand you are shit at PvP

lol, my bg win lose rate is 4:1, hope u didn't die from my hands before.

Although I don't like bullying others, but from today on, I will learn to enjoy crushing someone like u who does nothing but complain, that will be a pleasant journey.

Strange, never once met you at 39 bracket with my Mage, nor lock, so keep yapping.

Empty vessels make the most noise LOL

Think what you want, you maggot